Where are Old style lines in America still available? - Page 15

Bubba
What year did you have your first GSD and how old were you.

Paul Garrison .. Forty years ago there were few if any "old style American" GSD with any titles and fewer still with IPO/schutzhund credentials and I hate to tell you that schutzhund/IPO trained and titled GSD have always been (starting with the founders dogs) a tiny minority and from the looks of things in 40 more years the SV will have 6K members not 60K and IPO for the GSD will be as dead as fried chicken in the USA.  If breeders are going to breed the GSD of the future using IPO results as a song book that seems to be the wrong song sung to the wrong music.  Breeders don't need IPO titles to know which dogs to breed as any KNPV, French Ring, Belgian Ring, Mondio Ring, or one of any of 100 other dog sports can explain to you.  

Sometimes, in some ways, the contrarian makes one stop and think.

bubba
As opposed to what. What test do you do, How do you prove your dog. I do not know you, but I do know this, very very few accurately read or describe a dog. What use do your dogs have, what are you doing to better the breed? I see you breed what is this do for the breed?  Do you have the ability to train and title a dog in any of these sports. All I have ever read of your post is bad mouthing dog sports and others working their dogs, please tell me what do you do as well as answer my first questions.

 My first mentor was a LEO and he had a small breeding program focusing on working dogs for K9s etc. He focused on the old Am lines and they damn sure worked.
Paul very good post. Come on bubba show me something. Show some of your great dogs and their accomplishments. Show your great breeding program. Personally if someone just goes out and gets a CGC, it's SOMETHING and showed they at least DID something with their dogs. As dog people I believe we should stand together and encopurage each other--which I have seen a lot of here............And BTW your rep goes along with who you are and bashing what everyone else does isn['t the way to build it up. You'll learn you get more avoidance then attraction.

 

The thread is and was about the "old style" American GSD lines which are and were more myth than fact .. they had no titles or CGC but yet the breeders and the dogs created these supposed superior GSD without the aid of ego driven IPO trainers or IPO titles because they did not exist at that time in the USA for "American dogs".  Just as the GSD founders created the breed without schutzhund or IPO because in their time there was no IPO, schutzhund or any competitive dog sport .. at most the tests the founders used were pass/fail.  The GSD today is every bit as good and in many ways superior to the 1970 models.  I have no desire to go back to driving a 300 hp gas guzzler with fat tires on the rear that could only go fast in a straight line and couldn't stop or turn well at all.  Like some of you sqwaking for the good ole days and a return to a American GSD that never existed, those cars made a lot of noise but were unreliable and unsafe compared to the newer modern models available today.  I breed my dogs to please me and their future owners.  Some of my dogs are suited to police or biting sports and some are better suited to other uses.   I know what the dog I raise is comfortable doing mentally and physically.   I don't breed my GSD for the biting dog sports or police work. The dog that is sound of body and healthy and who has a nimble mind and body which suits his owner's desires is superior and they come in all sizes, colors and personalities for the GSD.  There are plenty of GSD that don't fit the narrow definition of what a GSD police or IPO dog should be that are just as good or better dogs and I intend to give them the recognition they deserve in my kennel and in my home.

Bubba
To shorten your story. You are a BYB breeding pets at best. Way to go. We need more breeders that are part of the problem with no solution at all.

A good breeder does not breed for police dogs or military dogs, they breed dogs that have the ability to perform the rich and varied legacy of accomplishment from the past. The word varied indicates more than biting. There were many great old style American breeders, but some of the experts on this thread opining about what the dogs were forty years ago are going by hearsay or selective written word. There were people who drove cars forty years ago, and who built cars forty years ago, and people who fixed cars forty years ago.....it's the same with GS people forty years ago.....and the people with the biggest mouth rode cars forty years ago.....I think folks know where to go to find out in depth about what the dogs were in the past.

Paul G; Please take into consideration the folly of you question from 48 hours ago. It does not matter when you received your first GSD or how old you were when you got the first specimen from the best breed in the world. It matters what you do and did next. Did you treat this dog well? Did you grow in the community of the GSD? Who were and are your mentors? Are you worthy of these mentors and did you grow past their expectations of you?  Did you breed? Why did you breed? What else do you contribute? The person you ask, in your previous post has intelect but no direction. He is an inteligent child, spoiled beyond hope. A parasite on a worthy cause, a flea on the best breed in the world [ maybe a tape worm, yes a tape worm, exisiting in the bowels of a great dog. festering waiting to be expelled in one giant bowel movement] 

Bubba clearly places no value whatsoever in titling a GSD in any venue.  I've asked him what health checks he requires for his breeding stock, no response. There are others here who share his sentiments, breed untested dogs with no health clearances or titles the same as he does.  He's not the only one. Those who can do..........

There are some AKC CH's with Sch/IPO titles; all but 3 are German imports, not American bred. The fore mentioned Audi and Dyan Merkel's Opium, both Am bred Sch I, both titled in the 80's.  Audi was ASL's and GSL's/GWL's. I don't know about Opium, her pedigree isn't on this board. Currently there is one Am Bred Sch 3 AKC CH half ASL's, half GSL's out of a Sch 3 dam. To the best of my knowledge, he is the first and the only.  

Few ASL breeders have any interest in protection, so there is no way to know how many of their dogs, if any,  could earn IPO titles or even a BH or an AD. Many of those breeders have never seen an IPO trial. There seems to be more and more ASL breeders and GSD pro handlers who are interested in protection and/or advanced OB these days; they plan some of their breedings to try to produce dogs suitable for those venues. No one I know is looking to produce man eaters - in today's society they are liablities and unless one is prepared to keep entire litters or cull/kill the ones they don't retain most I know would rather be licensed to carry a firearm.