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by kesyra on 14 December 2010 - 18:12
I did actually speak to a geneticist at length about this condition when I had dwarfs back in 1988. His advice and comments were as follows:
Not to repeat the mating, but not to exclude carriers from breeding.
That the incidence would increase in the future.
That it should be classed as a 'breeder loss' condition, and that in severity of genetic conditions, it was the least of our problems. (His words, not mine).
That I must not pass them on to anyone else, they were my problem and I had to decide their fate.
When I made comment that it would be very upsetting to put the puppies to sleep, his reply was that if I couldn't have a puppy with a severe defect put to sleep, then I shouldn't be breeding. Harsh words when I was relatively new to breeding, but ones I have always remembered.
I really think the condition of PD needs getting into perspective.
It shouldn't be a problem for the pet owner, as any reputable and experienced breeder will not pass one on to them.
For the breeder who wants to avoid the condition at all costs, there is a test out there, so use it and don't mate 2 carriers together. If they have a carrier bitch and wish to use a particular dog that is untested, there is nothing to stop them offering to pay for the test.
For the breeder who doesn't give a damn, they will never test anyway and won't care about passing a defective pup on either, so there isn't a lot any of us can do about them.
I don't think anyone on here is against testing, but it is expensive if one has a number of dogs and like it or not, all our dogs will carry something in their genes that we would rather they didn't. I for one would rather use a PD carrier than one who produces EPI, AF or Epilepsy.
Although some are now saying that carriers should not be withdrawn, the tone is still there that they should be, mostly from those who remain anonymous.
It also seems to be the anonymous posters that wish to force breeders into testing and publishing results for all to see, but with respect you are not even willing to tell us who you are!
For those on here who are genuinely interested in the condition, I have included a couple of scanned photos. It was quite obvious very early on that the pups had something wrong with them. There was no 'righting reflex' and I could not feel the pups pin bones. They were very slow to develop in all departments, they had very round eyes and profuse coats, where the gold was a very pale grey colour and, as the others grew, the dwarf pups were much smaller.
by Penny on 14 December 2010 - 18:12
But what about the pups that are born, and die early, a miserable little life, and what about folk who genuinely sell a little puppy not knowing it is a PD puppy, and give the hearatche even unwittingly to new owners...... and what about the puppies that are born and die within a few days, or in utero - this to me is un necessary if its tested for and avoided on both parents. Mo.
by missbeeb on 14 December 2010 - 18:12
Katrina
excellent post!by bazza on 14 December 2010 - 18:12
Kesyra, thank you for that post, I would not have liked to be in your posistion with your puppies.
by jaymesie51 on 14 December 2010 - 18:12
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by Videx on 14 December 2010 - 20:12
I don't do 'popularity' I don't do 'veneer' I tell it as it is. I don't waste my time on baseless emotions or imagined horrors, and I certainly do not even attempt to inform or teach the impenetrable. It's a complete waste of my valuable time, I AWAIT THE PD TEST RESULTS ON ALL OF YOUR OWN GSD. SOON!
I am inundated with messages agreeing with my viewpoint on PD in our breed.
by noddi on 14 December 2010 - 20:12
by noddi on 14 December 2010 - 21:12
by jaymesie51 on 14 December 2010 - 21:12
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by Penny on 14 December 2010 - 21:12
Jim,
Yes, I have lost puppies - as far as I know I havent had a PD puppy - but what has set me off is that I considered the condition was rare, and now I am wondering if lost puppies can be just that by cause. I have heard what very honest people have said to Shirley on the subject and found that it is much more prevelant a condition than I thought it was. At first, I thought Shirley was off on a mission - but hearing the people who Have HAD pd pups in their litters, and accepted that fact, made me realise that it may be possible to stop some needless euthanasia of puppies that didnt ask to be born. I accept that some people wont do it - as with other health checks.
David...
What a poor post to me. You and I are friends - remember? If I had to make sickly comments to you just because you didnt agree with my point of view, I would do it privately . However, that is how you feel, I dont certainly feel that I try to "be appealing" - you are mixing that phrase up with having enough dignity to state my point, and allow others to state theirs and more importantly, read what people are saying, and wonder if their point is better than mine ! Sometimes it is !
What about your answering my questions now, which David - were meant sincerely, as they might educate us ones that dont understand where the problem is to test. You say that you dont educate the impenetratable ones - give the benefit of the doubt to the ones that feel there may be something very valuable in your stance on this....... insults just hurt - information educates. Mo.
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