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by susie on 21 March 2014 - 19:03
Why? An adult German Shepherd brought to a strange place, surrounded by strangers...
Why should the dog in question be polite ?
I like it, if I have to earn the respect of an adult dog, but that´s just me.
Why should the dog in question be polite ?
I like it, if I have to earn the respect of an adult dog, but that´s just me.
by johan77 on 21 March 2014 - 20:03
Smiley, of course a workingdog dog can be social, very few breeds antisocial GSDs with a hairtrigger for aggresive behaviour, we don´t want GSD that acts like a bad version of a malinois, or? When it comes to breeding most dogs will have an IPO-title due to the fact is a must in germany and if not a must at least very common in other places in Europe, but there are also smaller sample of dogs breed for other jobs or sports. Also among IPO-lines of dogs there is a differences so it´s not like all IPO dogs can´t be used for policework or other type of work.
by vonissk on 21 March 2014 - 21:03
I thought the dog wouldn't let anyone touch it. I didn't say earning respect and all--I just said if I had a dog I couldn't put my hands on.
by Sunsilver on 21 March 2014 - 21:03
vonnisk, I didn't post the poster on Bodo, though I am a fan of his!
by susie on 21 March 2014 - 22:03
by Paul Garrison on 22 March 2014 - 05:03
A working dog can be social and still do protection. My needs in a dog are different then most. A friendly "social" dog will not keep people out of my yard, nor will it keep people out of my truck, out of your house. If I can make friends with a dog right off the bat so can anybody with just a little desire. The second reason I am looking for a hard nasty mean, bitch is I want to breed her. I am not looking to start a line of baby killers but to put hardness and aggression back into some of the breed. BUT just because I breed what I am looking for does NOT assure me or anyone I will ever get a puppy that ever grows up to be anything except a dog. I am looking to put some balance back into the breed in which it has very little now.
If you were to climb over my fence, reach into my truck, open my car door, without the handler assistance and not get dog bit I would say "that is not a protection dog" but a pet. Same dog under my control I should be able to go anywhere and others be safe at all times. The dog should bite on Command and when a threat is present. BUT if a dog only bits on command it is near useless as a protection dog. If someone sneaks up on me, my dog needs to alert and it is the job of the handler to not loose control of the dog.
I have always liked really hard dogs, I love the challenge and the usefulness they provide for what I do, and for who I am.
Your average Sch titled dog should be able to do all of the second paragraph, BUT 95% CAN NOT. They did in the 70's and 80's but not today. It is now a sport not a test.
If you were to climb over my fence, reach into my truck, open my car door, without the handler assistance and not get dog bit I would say "that is not a protection dog" but a pet. Same dog under my control I should be able to go anywhere and others be safe at all times. The dog should bite on Command and when a threat is present. BUT if a dog only bits on command it is near useless as a protection dog. If someone sneaks up on me, my dog needs to alert and it is the job of the handler to not loose control of the dog.
I have always liked really hard dogs, I love the challenge and the usefulness they provide for what I do, and for who I am.
Your average Sch titled dog should be able to do all of the second paragraph, BUT 95% CAN NOT. They did in the 70's and 80's but not today. It is now a sport not a test.
by Sunsilver on 22 March 2014 - 12:03
I've only ever had one dog that would bite for real to defend my property. She nailed a guy that was delivering flyers one morning, when we left her out on her tieout. Thank God he was wearing a leather jacket! He also brushed off the incident as 'a dog doing its job'. (He was likely an illegal immigrant and didn't want to raise a stink!)
Where'd she come from? My room-mate found her wandering the streets of Scarborough, where someone had dumped her at the age of 9 months! That's her in my sig.
She didn't make friends readily, either, but her first bite was always a warning nip, so no one ever got seriously hurt: just a few minor scratches or bruises.
I once had a former German police officer take a look at her, and he said she looked like the old fashioned German dogs he'd worked with after the war. She definitey wasn't American lines, because her bum (as one person said) was almost higher than her head!
She lived to be 14 1/2. Even in her old age, she liked to sleep by the front door, so she could guard the house.
Where'd she come from? My room-mate found her wandering the streets of Scarborough, where someone had dumped her at the age of 9 months! That's her in my sig.
She didn't make friends readily, either, but her first bite was always a warning nip, so no one ever got seriously hurt: just a few minor scratches or bruises.
I once had a former German police officer take a look at her, and he said she looked like the old fashioned German dogs he'd worked with after the war. She definitey wasn't American lines, because her bum (as one person said) was almost higher than her head!
She lived to be 14 1/2. Even in her old age, she liked to sleep by the front door, so she could guard the house.
by Paul Garrison on 22 March 2014 - 12:03
Instead of teaching a dog to bite, consider buying a dog that does bite and teach it when not too.
by bubbabooboo on 22 March 2014 - 16:03
If you still believe that cars made 40 years ago are better than ones made today then good news .. just buy a new car today and keep it 40 years. The same with the GSD .. the best 40 years ago are no better than the best today and the majority 40 years ago are likely slightly worse than the majority today. Don't compare Chevys and Fords to BMW or Mercedes. AKC to AKC, German to German, Czech to Czech.
by Paul Garrison on 22 March 2014 - 16:03
Buba
I beg to differ with you. 40 years ago the GSD were schutzhund. Today very few are. I hate to be the one to inform you but a "schutzhund" is a "protection dog".
I beg to differ with you. 40 years ago the GSD were schutzhund. Today very few are. I hate to be the one to inform you but a "schutzhund" is a "protection dog".
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