Biggest threat to the GSD breed in the USA - Page 13

That's for sure,  Wanderer.  I've decided to start going to a different club which is a little over a couple hours away from me, but I really want  their decoy for my dog.  My car gets about 20 miles to the gallon on a good day.  I'll be lucky to get there once a week with the current gas prices.  It seems like just yesterday I was only worried about the length of time involved!

"However, I have to add, that I think that the biggest threat and challenge to our way of life here in North America today is the cost of gas/fuel."

Yes, and perhaps rightly so. It should have been done, thoroughly and thoughtfully, back in the the 70's.  

Who's sorry now? We still persist in our appetite for oil. Not that I would ever kill anyone over the stuff....puh-leeeze!( I am not one of the 80,000,000!)

If it means we are priced out of using oil, to finally use renewable sources of energy, what greater gift could I leave my children?  

You're right.  The europeans learned that lesson long ago and even though they travel less distances in their cars on average, they get much better gas mileage than we do in the USA.  The technology has been there forever, unfortunately greed has been there much longer.  We waste a lot.

...... this is about the worst political turnspeak BS I've seen on this thread yet ...

BeeTree said: "Who's sorry now? We still persist in our appetite for oil. Not that I would ever kill anyone over the stuff....puh-leeeze!( I am not one of the 80,000,000!)"     

(What a joke. Puke.)

Oh so sorry to hear you are sick.  I hope you feel better soon.  Sometimes tea and dry toast helps a bad tummy.

Again.  I would have a problem going to war for oil, but I would.  It is just like your dogs.   If you were only feeding one of them four cups of food a day and you were giving the other only one cup of food.  The hungrier one would try to take food from the more well fed one.  Especially if the hungrier one was the bigger and stronger dog.  We need it.  We want it.  Our economy, our country, our way of life, depends on it.  We are the bigger and stronger dog.  It would be wrong to go to war for oil, but we would.  You may say that you would not today, but down the road, you will change your mind.  When you lose your job as a truck driver, UPS worker, grocer, just about any job, etc, etc.

Substitute the word oil with the word food, and see if you would go to war for it.  Would you?  If your family did not have enough food and your neighbor did and he refuses to barter or sell any to you just because he doesn't like your way of life? Would you feed your children grubs?  Or, would you tell your neighbor that he has plenty, more than his needs require and demand that he sell you some, or else?

I suffer and dislike the current price of oil just as much as the next fella, but most countries have always paid more than we have, and as I said before, it is about choices.  Would you not pay your bills or have your dogs do without adequate medical care, so that you could spend 25 bucks to go to a club far away?   Would you give up cigarettes or beer, in order to purchase gasoline to go to the club or to church?  Just look at every other vehicle on the road.  Large gas guzzling SUV's, made for off road capabilities which very very few use or need but add weight to the vehicle making it use more gas.  Vehicles that rival some motor homes, just to drive to the grocery store or take three kids to soccer practice.  Vehicles that have a multitude of accessories that add to the fuel consumption.

I guess my father had an affect on me afterall, even though I wasn't around him much.  I remember that he drove a 1961 Rambler without a radio.  Being a kid and being enamored with the Beatles and the rest of that kind (really really liked Sonny and Cher, James Brown and Isaac Hayes), I was always asking him to put a radio in the car.  His reply was always that a car is to get you from "here to there".  Driving a car was not supposed to be a Coney Island amusement ride, nor a mini vacation when going to work.  It was transportation.

Yea, I know, silly.  But it makes the point of how we could use less fuel if we were of a mind set to do so.  We ain't.  We are spoiled in that regard and you know what happens when a spoiled child grows up and all of a sudden someone is telling him "No".  He throws a tantrum

Millions put money into high yield but high risk stocks and such, then complain when the bottom drops out, like the internet stocks of 1989.  I lost 15 grand myself on "Black Monday", which is less than many, but I learned.  Have we learned anything from the 1970's and the oil prices under Jimmy Carter?  Nope.  We didn't change, now we just blame George Bush, because he and his sidekick were "oil men".  Sort of like blaming Ronald Reagan for bad movies during his presidency.

Hey beetree:  Howdy.  Been awhile.  I've been busy as a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.

Hope you didn't miss the asses I kicked.  It was actually two legs against eight, and the two won.

But, we won't go there as they "gave up" and keep telling mommy (read Oli) on me

Do Right, have you ever thought of the people who actually did curb the lust for oil long already? The people who go the extra langth to not dine out, who's kids have soccer/football/sambo practice at the local park who never hit the bigtime, the people who financially by demand ride bikes or horses to and from work, the people who buy the 4 cans of generic soda for a buck instead of Pepsi, the people who use (human and horse teams) manual labor to plow fields, the people who go tent camping for a vacation, the people who kneed their own bread and root eggs from the chicken house, the people who have woodstoves for more than one reason, the people not on the internet due to price or no computer or care, the people who have a meetup once a month to fill up water jugs at the mountain springs .... ya know those people ? The oil like you mention is this a "want", not a "need" for some people. Your forgetting about the daddy's to those people.  It's the same with "electric", these people don't need electric to live .... so I think your thinking is a bit off saying we "need" verses what we "want". Do these people not rank in regards to the "need" for oil ? Do they not have an opinion deeming oil useless in every day life ? Just wondering.

Speaknow, there's no debate about it. It's clear. Only the neoliberalised socialists in democracy have the problem with it. That is evident. Our founding fathers never once used the word democracy in anything they signed. They did their best not to use that word concidering we are in fact a Republic and they made that clear also. The only thing democratic about America in their eyes is the election process. That is it. America is NOT a democracy by Constitutional Laws. Fact. You are  brainwashed by your own choice in regards to fact vs. "opinion rule".