KENNEL CLUB SUSPEND ALLOCATION OF GSD CC's for 2012

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by svbc1 on 29 July 2009 - 17:07

VIDEX. Don't be so dammed rude !. I was not calling you stupid ! but maybe I ought to with your manner !. I was calling the 5 year idea stupid !. Naive I am not !. Common sense is to help the breed ASAP and not help certain breeders to make exisisting health issues multiply drastically in your given 5.years !!!!. Breeders either want to help the breed or they don't !. Breeders are not babies who need lollipops to behave !, they are adults who know what they are doing whether it be right or wrong !. So why treat them as babies !.

by Videx on 29 July 2009 - 18:07

You clearly cannot grasp the reasoning behind a 5 year (could be slightly less) period to implement a new health screening test. Maybe you will understand just one of the many reasons. Here in the UK very very few GSD breeders have any of their dogs breed surveyed, if you do what you advocate, a lot LESS will have them surveyed. And you think that would be progress?

by svbc1 on 29 July 2009 - 18:07

VIDEX. You are right I cannot grasp the reasoning behind waiting 5 years to implement something that so obviously needs to happen now. Breeders would still have the choice of registering in either class 1 or 2 without being forced. It would be in their own interest and the welfare of the breed to register as class 1. They then might decide to comply a little quicker than 5 years. Still not being forced.

by paulie on 29 July 2009 - 18:07

Please can we stop the bickering.

by jaymesie51 on 29 July 2009 - 20:07

Surely when you get your dogs hips done it makes sense to do the elbows at the same time its cheaper for one thing and it means not putting your dog through more stress again just my opinion
jim h

by Csense on 29 July 2009 - 22:07

Totally agree with you jaymesie51,

Perhaps the breeders are doing this but are not sending the x-rays to the BVA.

by jaymesie51 on 30 July 2009 - 09:07

What would be wrong by making a starting date for elbow scores say every dog born after 01/01/2010 must have both scored to get a class 1 or 2 breed survey now that gives everyone at least 12 months as they cant be scored before they are 12 months dogs born before that date it would be up to owners whether or not they got elbows scored.
jim h

by Videx on 30 July 2009 - 10:07

Thank God the SV are fully aware of the many implications when introducing new health screening tests, and they exercise great care and consideration of these implications for the breed as a whole when doing so.

Perhaps our WUSV could write to the SV and ask them to explain the many implications they consider when deciding to introduce a new Health screening test. Mind you, having asked these WUSV Clubs to pursue the introduction of the SV Dental Notation System for at least the last two years, and nothing has happened, I will not hold my breath.

Is it my memory, or am I the only one who thinks the summary of actual achievements to date by the GSD Partnership with the Kennel Club is as follows:

1) THE LOSS OF CC's FOR GSD IN 2012

by Liebe on 30 July 2009 - 10:07

When you look at the current rates for Elbows the number of plates being scored is significantly lower than those of elbows. There are also not that many dogs getting a score of 3 compared with 0. It took a long time to get people to implement the hip scoring and today the public are still confused as to what constitutes good scores . The KC should be working with the BV to offer reduced prices for combined screening - encouraging people to undertake both.

We need the KC to bring in maximum scores for breeding - rather than accepting that any score is good. It is time they recognised that a dog with high scores shouldnt be bred from and that healh screening has a purpose and not just a certificate to be waved "I've done it". There is little point in enforcing screening without it having a sense of purpose. I

In an ideal world no dog would be able to attain CC/CH status with a poor health or no health screening (but then I'm away with the fairies)!

by Videx on 30 July 2009 - 10:07

The KC will register litters from the WORST HIP SCORES, even if BOTH PARENTS are severely dysplastic. They will still register such a Litter, if BOTH PARENTS have the WORST ELBOW DYSPLASIA, and they will still register such a Litter, if BOTH PARENTS have a multitude of diseases which are considered largely hereditary. And if a resultant puppy from such a litter suffers similar health problems, but they are NOT visibly obvious, it is possible for it to become a Kennel Club Champion, with stud book number, and allowed to be bred from.
(if I am wrong on any of these facts, I invite the Kennel Club to correct me, I assure them I will post their reply in FULL)

The GSD Partnership would be well advised to advertise these facts throughout the Dog Press and every GSD web-site in the UK should display the GSD Partnership advertisement of these facts prominently.
That is what I call "fighting back"

Does the GSD Breed here in the UK, need any lessons on Health Matters of the GSD from such an organisation?

What the GSD breed CLEARLY needs is the earliest introduction of the:

ACCREDITED GSD SCHEME
http://www.videxgsd.com/proposed_accredited_gsd_scheme.htm

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