KENNEL CLUB SUSPEND ALLOCATION OF GSD CC's for 2012 - Page 11

Hi, we have such GSD as 'middle of the road' often with working bloodlines. In fact a GSD could work years ago before the divide but no working kennel in Germany wants the showlines. There is a definate divide in Germany. As for extreme types - these are , as you say, no good in either direction. Balance in structure, body and mind should be achievable.
I think the Germanic show type will leave us eventually, probably after a lot of unpleasantness but Videx wants the divide now according to emails so I can see no reason why they should not do what they want to do.

Having won dozens of CC's and RCC's over the years, I am convinced the time has come for a different approach for our GSD Show scene. An approach fundamentally based on what is most important for our breed, not necessarily what may be important for our breeds owners, being put at the forefront of our breeds Show scene.

The requirement of minimal health screening standards. The requirement of identification by microchip and DNA tests for parentage. The requirement for Open/Adult dog classes to require a Breed Survey pass. The requirement for each exhibit to be graded by the Judge. We have often been frustrated by what the Kennel Club refuses to do for our breed, so here in an opportunity to do some things for our breed ourselves. We should grasp this opportunity.

Throughout this discussion, there seems to be a thought that only German showline exhibits go through the health tests and that there is a choice between health tests and "alsatian" types.
I do not know anything about what the Alsatianist people do BUT the middle of the road and working german shepherd breeders certainly do all the health tests and they do not have unsoundness, cowhocks, steeply sloping or roached backs either.
A good looking dog with balance in body and mind is the aim without dog agression and excitability. I hope some involved in this 'thread' will agree and let us return to what the true German Shepherd should be. There  are dogs here which can help or alternatively, look to the Working side of German Shepherd breeding in the country of origin and let the breed improve its versatility.

Unfortunately for the breed, there is a lot more money to be made on the show side of things and in most walks of life, including this, money seems to take over.

cal123, and ALL other "middle of the road" & "Alsatianists" & if they want to "Working GSD folk"
PLEASE REMEMBER or alternatively DON'T FORGET we are discussing the SHOW GSD on this thread.

The German Shepherd Dog - was founded in Germany
The GSD founders established the Breed Standard
The GSD founders established the GSD Breed Cub = the SV
The GSD founders established Rules & Regulations for their GSD and their Club.
The SV hold responsibility for our breed the GSD within Germany, and have formed the "World Union" WUSV in 1968 to oversee the GSD World -Wide.
The SV hold the German Sieger Show for GSD annually  in Germany, also known as the "World Sieger Show"
The German Sieger Show is the LARGEST (numerically) SINGLE BREED SHOW IN THE WORLD. (2,000+)
This huge show, conducted by the SV shows everyone around the World EXACTLY what our  SHOW GSD should aim for in their CONFORMATION, MOVEMENT, CHARACTER etc.
The "middle of the road" & The "Alsatianists" & anybody and everybody can see the SV OFFICIAL INTERPRETATION OF OUR GSD BREED STANDARD by visiting the Sieger Show, or buying the official DVD's of the Sieger Show, or by reading reports and looking at photographs of the Sieger Show.
IN AN EFFORT TO EDUCATE AND TO PENETRATE INTO THE BRAINS (hopefully) OF ALL "NICHE GROUPS" such as the Alsatianists & the "middle of the road", I would ask them to view these web-pages and read, study, absorb and fully comprehend, and please learn. The Official (living) interpretation of our breed standard.
German Sieger Show IMPRESSIONS: http://www.videxgsd.com/WORLD_SIEGER_SHOWS.htm

Point of information the FCI officially adopt the SV GSD breed Standard- (I feel sure many do not know what the FCI is) It is the organisation for Kennel Clubs of most countries around the World. (approx. 200)

In Germany the SV help in the facilitation of "DOUBLE HANDLING" read my comment above re "interview with Reinhardt Meyer"

The "roach back" is much more a perceived problem than it actually is. This description "roach back" is in the main the "perception" of ignorant & bigoted minorities, who remember or hanker after the "Alsation" dipped backs that are laughably described as straight.
The posing of our dogs is stance frequently bears little resemblance with the actual dogs conformation. This is an area for examination and possible change.

For the first time this past weekend UK Breed Surveys have been carried out where the majority of the dogs presented were working dogs. When talking of middle of the road GSD`s  and from the photos I have seen these dogs would be  more like those described by  CAL123 than the so called refered to Show Dogs, and all of them would have had all the required health checks. I hope  this recent survey will pave the way for all those who think the Breed Council Surveys are only for Show Dogs. When and if the Two Tier registrations become the norm with the Kennel Club and I hope this is sooner rather than later , I hope more people will present their dogs for surveys, for example: Show / Working / Pets and will only breed from dogs which have a registration which is the best of the two tier system. Surely when breeding the aim is to breed dogs which resemble as close as possible to the standard and that both parents have all the required health checks,the "Breed Council Surveys" provide all this information.  Well done to everyone who took part at the weekend and hopefully  this is the turning point which will encourage more people who want to breed to survey their dogs in the future.
John Ward

In 5 years there  WILL  be loads more bad elbows being born and being bred with !. Stupid !.  Scoring elbows has been voluntary for far too long already, years in fact !. Cannot remember exactly when it started , must be at least 12 years ?.

Do you think It might be good to use another word instead of   > ACCREDITED <  for your scheme because when casually talking to some dog people at club they were all thinking that yours and the kennel club accredited scheme was one in the same scheme ?. I know we know it isn't the same scheme but lots of dog people and especially the public pet  puppy buyers don't even know this site exsists to know about your scheme, they only know the kennel club one. Its a shame about that.

 svbc1: you call me stupid? you are clearly naive and ignorant not to be able grasp the principle proffered. Don't waste my time anymore, you are simply not worth it.