I like American show bloodlines. Crosses anyone? - Page 11

Ma Shiloh remembers when Jimmy was just a kid, swiping cookies from the lady who was mentoring him! 

So, yeah, I think you could be right!

hello Randy, congrats on the major win. In AKC, the dog needs 15 points to become a Champion and must have 2 "majors" which are 3 point to 5 point wins under 2 different judges. Getting one of the majors is big in AKC. You can show further under Helen, but you will still need a major win under another judge. There are a few that give full consideration to German dogs that can gait.

GSDCA specialty shows are all about shoulder and gait and I do think Waiko has that. The all breed shows lean more towards beauty, presentation and handler. Many of these judges have never owned a GSD. There are probably dozens of all breed shows a year in your area.

Anyway, best of luck to you and Waiko. If you do pursue this avenue, I think slamdunc said it best   "I am always skeptical when American SL folks switch to German dogs."

 """They are going to be looking to your dog to fix the issues they have ignored for generations. If he doesn't do it in every instance, character and health, brace yourself.

Rick Atchley

The things I see on the side gait photo posted by Dog 1 that I think would  be  big negatives in the AKC ring is the dog's unlevel backline, the dog doesn't fully open his shoulder joint and the gait is not balanced. The later 2 could be the timing of the photo.  He didn't say this is Waiko, a dog like Waiko.

Blitzen, you've just described the most common 'faults' seen in most German showlines today, especially the shoulder that doesn't fully open. That, combined with the handler gaiting the dog on a tight leash causes the 'goose-stepping' type gait which has become so common in the German showring.

(I put 'faults' in quotes, because while the unlevel, sightly curved topline would be considered a fault by the AKC judges, no one would look twice at it in the German ring, just as no judge would fault an American dog for a slightly steep shoulder.)

The dog in the photo is not in full stride and also on tight leash, which distorts the back, the reach and the sweep of the rear. Really don't see how anything can be determined from the photo.

I am basing my opinion on having seen the dog in the ring and having shown under Helen many times. hard for me to believe she (or any GSDCA speciality judge) put up a poor gaiting dog for a 4 pt. major at a GSDCA speciality show.

jmo,

Rik

Is it Waiko? Dog 1 said the type of dog that won, didn't say it was him. No, Helen would not put up a dog that wasn't a good mover. Can you post a better timed photo, Dog 1?

I don't like generalizations about dogs. Not all ASL's are hock walkers and not all GSL's goosestep. The timing of the photo often makes all the difference.

Sunsilver, we clearly need to see a better movement photo of this dog.

[Agrees] Sorry, I should have worded that post better. I was just speaking in general terms, Blitzen, and not referring to the dog in Dog1's photo. I think he's a nice looking boy, and I like what I see of his movement in that photo. However, we all know most American judges would have faulted him severely for the unlevel topline. I remember Dan Smith posting about it on this very board, saying that's why most German SL would not do well in the AKC ring.


BTW, I don't think that's Waiko, because I assume Dog1 has Waiko in his sig photo, and he seems to have a dark spot on his tongue. His pigment is also quite a lot darker and redder than this dog. 

sunny, have to disagree somewhat. The most common faults I see are "cow" hocked, flat withers and and the roach. But this is from an Am. perspective.

I honestly have not seen a lot of German dogs in the show ring "goose stepping, "lifting high in front" or "reaching from the elbow", whatever one chooses to call it. Some of the photos I have seen that seem to indicate this are just dogs being held up and back on a tight leash. A dog goose steps because of a very overdone rear in relation to front or just the inability to open the shoulder.


jmo,

Rik 

Why do owners and breeders post bad photos of their dogs?