USA or WDA? Breed Dynamics In The US - Page 10

Seby
You are incorrect. membership in the SV does not grant you admittance to the UScA Sieger Show if you live in the US, although I believe UScA did allow that for one year.
 By the way I have been a member of the SV for some 12 years. 
david

Yes, it does. 
Look at the form from last show and highlighted important memo.
http://www.siegershowusa.com/downloads/usa-ss-2012-form.pdf

WUSV membership is required for USA residents. (for non-residents nothing is required)
Either GSDCA or SV will do.
So technically speaking you can join any WUSV member club in the world and be accepted at the show.

So again..... if I have to go to China and join CSV to benefit my dog and participate in UScA Sieger Show, I will do so.

OGBS, there are a lot of USCA members with relationships on both sides of the fence....Don Yele and Ivana hold their trials on a WDA club field and are very close friends with Boogan...who is also a very close friend with Frank Phillips ( I am told a big shot with USCA), 
This should all become clearly about developing and educatng  people to help move this breed forward,,,not about bad behavior in the sand box. 

Seby.
Thanks for showing that.
Actually I had seen it before as I entered several dogs in that show and I can assure you that SV membership did not qualify me to enter, but we can't have much of a discussion with "yes you can" and "no you can't " so I will defer to someone/anyone associated with the organization of the show to offer  the clarification i sought and received prior to entering.
david

Don and Ivana are UScA members...Frank is the new VP...Don is a UScA teaching helper. It makes no difference where you hold your trial or whom you train with....just the organization you trial through and support. Nothing new here folks....either you do or you don't...you have to make that choice every day...just another instance....not a big deal unless you choose to make it so..

I was a member of both, now just UScA.  How does it affect me?  Hardly, I train with whomever I want, there are mostly UScA trials around me, plenty to chose from so no problems there.  But there was an instance this summer.  Friends I had trained with in the past had an injury to their helper.  Had a trial and needed a helper.  I was certified with both, but had let my WDA lapse because of JA.  They were in need of a helper, but I could not help the.  Good people, good dogs and SOL because of some power struggle at the top.

What I don't get though is that out of dozens of dog sport clubs in this country the USCA is the only one that insists on certifying another org's book in order for you to participate and is the only club that tries to limit where you can be a member.  Just in the broader scope of dog ownership and participation in dog sports when this comes up among friends they think it's pretty ridiculous.  When I do agility I can trial under any club that is convenient (AKC, UKC, CPE, NADAC, USDAA...). When I do flyball I can do a U-FLI tournament on Saturday and a NAFA tournament on Sunday if I want to.  People who have only ever been members and participants in exclusively USCA events seem to be the only ones who say "who cares just make the choice and deal".  I guess when your scope of dog training and trialing is that narrow (and you're not reall making a choice because all you've ever done and will do is USCA), it's easy to see it that way, but a lot of people don't.  Hate to break it to people but SchH is not the only dog sport in this country and there are other dog sport clubs that happily co-exist without all this childish bickering and trying to limit the scop of another.  People should look at what works and what doesn't and not just adopt this attitude that because all *they* care about is SchH and the only club *they've* ever been part of is USCA must mean that the rest of the country fits into that narrow scope as well.  Nope.  It's not people like me making a big deal out of it because I still willing pay to be a member of USCA,I am a member of a USCA club and I gladly help host and enter in their trials I don't get why USCA makes a big deal out of where I trial my dogs... who cares?  There are so many legit ways around the JA it's not even worth arguing about anymore.  It's nothing person I just think the whole thing is silly.  I don't like the JA but whatev...guess who's judging the event I'm entered in this weekend? lol

you assume way too much VKGSD..:-)

About who? My post is not just based on this thread but the general attitudes of people I've discussed this with in person as far as "USA vs WDA" (as the title suggests).  When people flat out tell me what they think that's not really an assumption on my part.

IMO people should just trial their dogs and stay out of other peoples' business.

Why does UScA "insist" on certifying scorebooks for a fee?

Simple; the UScA's paying members support through their dues a very expensive to set up and maintain judges program.  That program supports many other breed clubs and non members alike who utilize the UScA/SV approved judges. It is out of fairness to our own dues paying members that an additional fee structure exists to help recoup those costs.

Again, individuals may join freely and hopefully be loyal to ANY organization that fits their needs.  It is not about the aggrandizement of one organization or the necessary demise of another.  It is about who offers the best service to its membership that will be the final arbiter of who survives and thrives.

Best,

Kevin