Why are Showlines generally priced higher than Working Lines?? - Page 10

I am not saying one is right or you have to not choose, just would be nice not to see attacking and a line drawn in the sand and that we cant talk about dogs without the sneers between the two. There are topics that can be mutually beneficial and we can smile and be cordial.

“Take this trouble for me: Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim.”       Max von Stephanitz 1864 – 1936
 
  The beauty of a GSD is derived from his ability to work. It is the beauty of an athlete. Form or beauty is a by-product of and has no merit outside of function.  
Prager Hans

I agree with Yvonne...
I'm partial to GSDs, whether working or showline; they're all beautiful.

I think all dogs should be individually considered on their own merits and shouldn't be lumped into a generalized catagorization.
But this is just my personal opinion
Prager...I think I'll need your sable too...I need a bit more color between my bookends.

Sonia

GSDNewbie

 I will "attack" people breeding GSD for narrow single purpose of beauty, or specific drive only, or  even just for great hips and other quality attributes or any extreme purpose,  for as long as I live. GSD is a versatile working dog and it is detriment  to the breed which I and many other  love, if not bred as such. This breed  is not about anybody's personal freedom and breeding the dogs the way  you,  he or she wants to. It is about the standard of the breed and the original purpose of the breed. If you do not want to subscribe to what GSD was created for, it's complete standard as a working dog then I beg you and  implore you,  please do not breed GSD. If you will breed GSD to your personal image narrow or extreme purpose, then I will criticize you politely but severely.  
Prager Hans

"Show line folks prefer a softer, low drive dog."

This is such an over-generalization and such absolute BS that it isn't even worthy of a response.

“Take this trouble for me: Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim.”       Max von Stephanitz 1864 – 1936
 
Note that it doesn't say sport dog nor does it define work as nothing more than the dogs' proclivity to fight with humans.

Gooooooooo Prager;  those are some beautiful working boys.  I say keep them all beautiful and working;  what a concept.  Yeah.  Nan

GSD Newbie:  stunning boy; great conformation but can he produce??  That is the question, does he through at least as good as himself;  or hopefully better than himself.  Then and only then do you have a breedable treasure that will hopefully pass on his workability and beauty to his offspring.

But Prager I think show line folks and working line folks interpret those words very differently, show line folks think their dogs are athletes, that the dogs can work, and have plenty of drive, etc., in fact they think working line dogs have too much drive, etc., obviously those of us who are working line aficionados feel differently, we feel our dogs resemble more closely what the Captain was reaching for, which is perhaps why we can't come to a meeting of the minds.

Prager, work not sport is important to me. My dogs work. My newest pup was purchased because he is built right, looks good and his grandsire to which he favors much has sch 3 and was vice sieger Germany HGH. His father's side has a lovely structure and perfect temerment. I am selective in my dogs. I work my female on sheep. I will be working the puppy on sheep. I believe that can look right and work and that is the gsd I want. I consider your dogs like that as well and like the looks of them. I do not believe a gsd should be reduced in structure to a sch wall jumper and loose their herd tending trot. What work do yours do?

  Nan ty very much but I will not be breeding him he is here to retire, though his pups are around and he did pass on his genetics.




             I am not a breeder. I enjoy the companionship and working with my dogs only.

sueinc
Every working GSD should be able to do well on any working path you put him on. Not on all, but an any , regardless which. If their show dog has capabilities to perform well as police K9, S&R, family protector, ....or any working path GSD can generally do, if the trainer puts him/her on such path of training,  then he /she is a working dog.  However if they  do not breed for such versatility then it will be lost to a great degree within 3 generations. With minor exceptions SL people breed for looks and nothing much else. There is no and will never be no  meeting of minds. This is not dialectic materialism. The dog either  can protect , jump, herd, retrieve, search, work all day in any weather and has the endurance, longevity, intelligence, heart, drive,  trainability, size , structure   and courage to do it, or he/she  can not do it. Is is either black or white. Yes x No. No middle ground.
Prager Hans

By your definition then my dogs are workers. However people looking at them that have wl dogs be it they work them or they are pet and mutter pfft damn showlines... lol Many people who own working lines never work them these days as well. They have become popular for pets perhaps because they are cheaper and are also breeding without working them where I am. So would you say it is not looks/ origin of lines at that point and a dog that is doing the jobs set before him is the gsd no matter is its color is red and black or a working line black and tan or sable of either? Should it not be based on a dog and owner that is working in the here and now and not the origen of the line it is from?