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Hans and Nancy are correct on this. There are only a very few people with the knowledge of the individual dogs to breed the same type of dog produced by the former Czech border patrol. Once those dogs are sold to other breeders without that specific experience and environment then they cease to be true "Czech dogs". The dogs change and are now American lines or whatever you want to call them. Everyone is caught up in the marketing strategy of selling dogs based the accomplishments of others. I dont know why more people dont call them "Smith" lines or "Jones" lines like they used to with game dogs.

If the dogs that many popular kennels are producing(and using the Czech dog gimmick) are the exact type you prefer then great.....but it is doubtful that they represent the dogs produced by the original Czech border patrol.

I think for the average person (in my assessment 99% of GSD buyers are average)  who wants to buy a puppy, the correct thing to do is search for a trustworthy breeder, ask friends and look around for owners of dogs from that breeder, search the net for news etc. When the right breeder is found, what you are looking for in the puppy should be explained to the breeder and all the rest be left to the breeder and his or her credibility and sincerity. No average person can study, research, visit the kennel, see the dogs, go to shows etc etc, let us not kid ourselves.
The remaining 1% and those are mostly highly knowledgable and or professional trainers or breeders can do the right research, visits, studies etc.
Both parties the average and the professionals may in the end be fooled, the first by a bad breeder and 2nd by wrong assessment or exagerated confidence.
Again an average person should trust the breeder after doing a research on breeders not dogs. This is my opinion. Myself I tried a lot on researching dogs as I was advised and got nowhere, too difficult for me, then I asked help on breeder recommendations and chose Jinopo, got a puppy from Carly policia-slovakia X Galina z jirkova dvora, better than I was hoping for.

Ibrahim

I agree with Duke1965 its not only a good breeder if you get a great healthy dog, it`s also what the breeder does after you bought the pup.
I bought my first dog at Jinopo 3 years ago Kenai Jipo Me out of Mambo z Pohranicni Straze and Viki Jipo Me, i gave him an update of Kenai every month the good but also the bad i always got answer back and advise on what to do.
When it turned out one hip was not good and maybe a backproblem i send him an email telling him this, i didn`t even had send the x-rays yet,  but got the answer that i have garantue and could pick out a new puppy free of charge.
And he kept his word,  i picked out a new puppy and offcourse kept my sweet boy Kenai who besides his healthproblems is a great dog.
So now i got two dogs from them, and when the time comes to buy another puppy i will go back to them, because there is this trust!
This makes me want to deal with this breeder more, every breeder can have a pup that not turnes out as good as you want.
I really feel that i can trust Jiri and i`ve been there at Jinopo 2 times, and he is very open you can see everything you want,  no limits on where you can go and where not, if you really want to see a dog working he shows you the dog.
Last year we went and there was a decoy with us from our club, he asked if some dogs could bite on him, and it was no problem, and what i really liked is that there were no rules like "O.K. but you can only do this,  or i will keep him on a leash",  you know to only show the things a dog really stands out in, no he could say what he wanted to see and do.
So when you are there you feel like there are no secrets about his breedeingstation or about his dogs, but you do have to go there!
But i can tell you czech is a great country with alot of nice people, very different of what i imagined.
This summer i will go again to czech.
Oh and another great thing they got great drinks there hahaha.

Pientje,

That is likely one of the best, and most honest referrals I have heard or seen. Every business has a problem occasionally. I believe it is the response to those issues that separates you from the competition, not that there is much competition for Jinopo though.

I really have to agree.  Support from the breeder is very important for the buyer and I've heard many admirable stories from owners of Jinopo and van den Heuvel dogs of their great service and commitment to their clients.  I've heard negative stories of Jinopo and Hans through private email from another breeder at one time, but that only managed to garner my mistrust of that particular breeder here in the US, and not of Jiri or Hans.  I happen to be taking another leap of faith here pretty soon, from another czech breeder that Jinopo's associate Petr is helping to transport here, who has been very helpful and professional in accomodating me.

The pup I'll be getting will have most influence from popular west german sporting lines, with zPS only composing about a quarter of the pedigree.  I do appreciate the old border patrol lines, and these are what I think of as true "czech" dogs, and not just because it was born in the Czech republic.  But we need these terms to help describe the differences, and as Scoutk9GSDs put it, we should perhaps use other words instead.  You can get worthless showline crap there too, but just because it's born there, how many of us would think of them as "czech"?  One dog I purchased from the Netherlands, I consider to be "west german workingline", and not "dutch".  If breeders of czech or german lines here in the US started calling them "american" gsd's, it would get pretty confusing for all the people expecting some goose-looking dog with a S-curved topline.

My point was that there is much more to a dog than it's ancestors. Americans in particlular seem to rely on the pedigree way too much. Maybe it is all they have to go on but then it tranfers over to breeding and then its a huge problem.

If Jinipo incorporates a W. German Showline into it's breeding then yes I would still call the product Czech dogs. It is the knowledge and experience that chose that particular dog and what to cross it with. Without that knowledge and experience then its an entirely different breeding and the end product will be different.

Scout, don't go throwing logic into this. You'll screw up all the breeders' marketing!

Well, I know no one will refer to my dogs as "100% czech", 100% DDR, dutch, or whatever else I happen to put in there.  The german purists won't notice for sure.  But for someone to be avoidant of using terms like "prey drive" or "czech lines", it's a wonder you could have much to say about anything ;-)