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by TessJ10 on 05 April 2010 - 19:04
Excellent post, 4pack.
The entire point in a nutshell:
"Man, woman, married, single, family or not, anyone who is confused, ignorant, falsifying or just outright a lying sack of shit, needs to be corrected. It's not about jealousy, envy or anything else but being black and white with the facts. Why would we want noobs to read this crap and then do the same themselves?"
As to this:
"Sure feel good about showing up and getting some experience under your belt, that in itself is something to be pround of. Why the need to build it up to something it isn't?"
To make money. She's advertising that dog as a stud dog, so she needs accomplishments to rope in the n00bs to either use him at stud or buy one of his puppies, hence the lies about what he's actually done. The thing is, I like that dog. He doesn't NEED falsifying.
The entire point in a nutshell:
"Man, woman, married, single, family or not, anyone who is confused, ignorant, falsifying or just outright a lying sack of shit, needs to be corrected. It's not about jealousy, envy or anything else but being black and white with the facts. Why would we want noobs to read this crap and then do the same themselves?"
As to this:
"Sure feel good about showing up and getting some experience under your belt, that in itself is something to be pround of. Why the need to build it up to something it isn't?"
To make money. She's advertising that dog as a stud dog, so she needs accomplishments to rope in the n00bs to either use him at stud or buy one of his puppies, hence the lies about what he's actually done. The thing is, I like that dog. He doesn't NEED falsifying.
by wlpool on 05 April 2010 - 19:04
First off, I never NOT ONCE claimed to be the best at the trial. I was CLEAR that I was shocked that I EVEN WON THE HIT RIBBON (see below). I NEVER meant to represent that I was the BEST at this trial. I was clear to only post WHAT WAS WRITTEN ON THE RIBBON ITSELF! I DON'T claim the Hanz is the BEST, I claim that he is the BEST THAT I OWN. There is a HUGE difference. I understand that I read the entries wrong and I have on numerous occasions corrected it. Please understand that if there is NOT AN OWNER EDIT BUTTON them I cannot go back and fix it.
Paste from above:
Well, I was waiting to post this until I got the pictures done. I went to the trial alone so I had to wait until I got home to take the pictures.
Hanz now has his AD, BH, CD, RN, and CGC.
At our title show (AKC), he WON HIGH IN TRIAL A classes. The program shows 112 entries, but that is both A and B classes. I'm not sure how many were in A classes. I had SOOO much fun. There were 9 entries in obedience (ring 2 class A) and I was so shocked and HAPPY when we got first. Yippie, the first check my dog has won for me. I REALLY love my dog. Kuddos to Von Nimbus kennels. I can't help but thank them everyday I have him and can't hardly wait until my new girl gets here.
MICKY D:
I admit that I put that there and since it has been pointed out how to figure the entries I have make EVERY effort to correct my error. If you get me the link that I MISSTATED I WILL go and clarify without hesitation. I ABSOLUTELY want to make sure that I don't misstate, but I would like for you to be aware that mistakes happen and it shouldn't be about the mistake, but about how to fix it.
Now, Nia.
I am now kindly asking you to refrain from trying to associate me with other persons from this board. I feel that it is an attempt to paint me as a bad person although I don't know for sure as I don't know who echo is, but I will look into it now that you feel compelled to insinuate that I am them.
Since we should all look on the bright side, thanks for all the bumps, my website is getting tons of hits!
Speaking of "Magic Meadows"..... does anyone remember Echo Meadows? Anyone else see similarities?
by sueincc on 05 April 2010 - 19:04
Well said 4pack.
I do understand people bragging about their dogs, many times people are so enthused they might gloss over the hard facts, many times what one person perceives as important might not be as important to another. But it's not right when you put yourself out there as a breeder. Breeders are supposed to be the keepers of the standard. What I can't understand is not loving the breed enough or their customers enough to at least respect the breed by first learning about it before setting up a breeding operation. How can they profess to love this breed if they don't even think it's worth putting in the time to learn about the breed first? This is so ass-backwards to me. I think a smart, prudent and responsible person first spends many years learning about the breed, about what it is supposed to do, about schutzhund, with lots of hands on experience, and then when they have a lot of knowledge they may then have what it takes to breed good dogs They are putting these dogs out there for someone else to cherish over a dogs lifetime. Where is the sense of responsibility?
As far as maggs goes, guys she is hopelessly lost, (a mind is a terribly thing to waste), and now apparently has a Walter Middy complex to boot. I know it can be a lot of fun to get her going, she is hilarious, but it's true she is only looking for attention.
I'll see you guys later, I gotta go tracking.
I do understand people bragging about their dogs, many times people are so enthused they might gloss over the hard facts, many times what one person perceives as important might not be as important to another. But it's not right when you put yourself out there as a breeder. Breeders are supposed to be the keepers of the standard. What I can't understand is not loving the breed enough or their customers enough to at least respect the breed by first learning about it before setting up a breeding operation. How can they profess to love this breed if they don't even think it's worth putting in the time to learn about the breed first? This is so ass-backwards to me. I think a smart, prudent and responsible person first spends many years learning about the breed, about what it is supposed to do, about schutzhund, with lots of hands on experience, and then when they have a lot of knowledge they may then have what it takes to breed good dogs They are putting these dogs out there for someone else to cherish over a dogs lifetime. Where is the sense of responsibility?
As far as maggs goes, guys she is hopelessly lost, (a mind is a terribly thing to waste), and now apparently has a Walter Middy complex to boot. I know it can be a lot of fun to get her going, she is hilarious, but it's true she is only looking for attention.
I'll see you guys later, I gotta go tracking.
by TessJ10 on 05 April 2010 - 19:04
Windy Pool writes: "First off, I never NOT ONCE claimed to be the best at the trial....I NEVER meant to represent that I was the BEST at this trial."
You are lying again.
Here is what you posted in this thread when I asked "So you mean 1st place in Novice A or High in Trial overall?" you responded with:
"The high in trial was overall high for the day. I will check AKC website as soon as they publish my score to get it. Yep, I am very excited. This is my first 'on my own' dog."
How can you lie so blatantly and not expect people to call you on it?
I will say again that Hanz is a beautiful dog. I really like him. He doesn't need you to exaggerate anything about him. He has the CD title and if you work hard, as you seem to do, I have no doubt that you will get his SchH title and get it with good scores. When he gets the titles, brag away. Same with your imported bitch - when she's titled, sing her praises to the skies. I would. But until then, just tell the truth. Take with all kindness what 4pack wrote. It applies to ALL of us. ALL of us:
"Man, woman, married, single, family or not, anyone who is confused, ignorant, falsifying or just outright a lying sack of shit, needs to be corrected. It's not about jealousy, envy or anything else but being black and white with the facts. Why would we want noobs to read this crap and then do the same themselves?"
You are lying again.
Here is what you posted in this thread when I asked "So you mean 1st place in Novice A or High in Trial overall?" you responded with:
"The high in trial was overall high for the day. I will check AKC website as soon as they publish my score to get it. Yep, I am very excited. This is my first 'on my own' dog."
How can you lie so blatantly and not expect people to call you on it?
I will say again that Hanz is a beautiful dog. I really like him. He doesn't need you to exaggerate anything about him. He has the CD title and if you work hard, as you seem to do, I have no doubt that you will get his SchH title and get it with good scores. When he gets the titles, brag away. Same with your imported bitch - when she's titled, sing her praises to the skies. I would. But until then, just tell the truth. Take with all kindness what 4pack wrote. It applies to ALL of us. ALL of us:
"Man, woman, married, single, family or not, anyone who is confused, ignorant, falsifying or just outright a lying sack of shit, needs to be corrected. It's not about jealousy, envy or anything else but being black and white with the facts. Why would we want noobs to read this crap and then do the same themselves?"
by Mystere on 05 April 2010 - 19:04
Windy,
YOU said: " Now, Nia.I am now kindly asking you to refrain from trying to associate me with other persons from this board. I feel that it is an attempt to paint me as a bad person although I don't know for sure as I don't know who echo is, but I will look into it now that you feel compelled to insinuate that I am them.
Since we should all look on the bright side, thanks for all the bumps, my website is getting tons of hits!"
Your idiotically ill-advised post was in response to this:
"Speaking of "Magic Meadows"..... does anyone remember Echo Meadows? Anyone else see similarities?"
PLEASE work on your reading comprehension for future reference. I never said, nor insinuated, that you were Echo Meadows--I clearly asked if those who recalled Echo saw any similiarities. Anyone with even rudimentary literacy can see and comprehend that. So, don't even try to put words in my mouth...especially when they are right there in black and white. (The answer, obviously, was YES.)
btw--No one, quoting you, has to work to "associate me with other persons from this board. I feel that it is an attempt to paint me as a bad person..." YOU and your "defenders" (enablers? excusers?) do that quite well all by yourselves. Are you really incapable of understanding that, even at this point?
YOU said: " Now, Nia.I am now kindly asking you to refrain from trying to associate me with other persons from this board. I feel that it is an attempt to paint me as a bad person although I don't know for sure as I don't know who echo is, but I will look into it now that you feel compelled to insinuate that I am them.
Since we should all look on the bright side, thanks for all the bumps, my website is getting tons of hits!"
Your idiotically ill-advised post was in response to this:
"Speaking of "Magic Meadows"..... does anyone remember Echo Meadows? Anyone else see similarities?"
PLEASE work on your reading comprehension for future reference. I never said, nor insinuated, that you were Echo Meadows--I clearly asked if those who recalled Echo saw any similiarities. Anyone with even rudimentary literacy can see and comprehend that. So, don't even try to put words in my mouth...especially when they are right there in black and white. (The answer, obviously, was YES.)
btw--No one, quoting you, has to work to "associate me with other persons from this board. I feel that it is an attempt to paint me as a bad person..." YOU and your "defenders" (enablers? excusers?) do that quite well all by yourselves. Are you really incapable of understanding that, even at this point?
by MaggieMae on 05 April 2010 - 19:04
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by wlpool on 05 April 2010 - 20:04
Nia:Why the HELL would I care about what you "kindy" or otherwise request of me, when you insist upon putting my personal information on the internet, or trying to do so? You cannot request toe-jam from my dog
First, that is disgusting. Yuck.
Second, I was clear that it was NOT nice to post others information if you did NOT want your own up as well. You can call it a courtesy. I have NEVER POSTED someones name without their permission UNLESS they have posted mine without my express permission. If you don't want to be on the "internet" then don't be on it. But, hiding behind a "mystere" name and mistreating others is NOT representative of a person who is SUPPOSE to represent the sport and it's just plain MEAN.
First, that is disgusting. Yuck.
Second, I was clear that it was NOT nice to post others information if you did NOT want your own up as well. You can call it a courtesy. I have NEVER POSTED someones name without their permission UNLESS they have posted mine without my express permission. If you don't want to be on the "internet" then don't be on it. But, hiding behind a "mystere" name and mistreating others is NOT representative of a person who is SUPPOSE to represent the sport and it's just plain MEAN.
by MaggieMae on 05 April 2010 - 20:04
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by 4pack on 05 April 2010 - 20:04
No I hardly think so Maggie. Anyone who was around for Echo Meadows would see similarities but there is no way in hell it is the same person. Just 2 breeders trying to pass off their stock for more than it really is and always with a "drama" to share.
WP you have so admitted to posting the mans name and phone # here without his permision, who took Amelia. You yourslef said you later told him and he was non too happy about it. Did you think we didn't read that thread or forgot already? Or will you just play dumb again???
WP you have so admitted to posting the mans name and phone # here without his permision, who took Amelia. You yourslef said you later told him and he was non too happy about it. Did you think we didn't read that thread or forgot already? Or will you just play dumb again???
by Mystere on 05 April 2010 - 20:04
Windy,
YOU plastered your name all over the internet via your websites, facebook and Lord knows what else. I NEVER have. So, once again, you are simply displaying your dishonesty. Similarly, you display your dishonesty by posting a pm (that means PRIVATE message) without permission. I expected that of you, frankly, as you have displayed nothing else.
Secondly, you seem to confuse calling you out on your lies and dishonesty with being "mean." As has been pointed out to you on all three of these threads, ad nauseum, that whining lie is simply more of your dishonesty and attempts to play martyr. No, not everyone is going to play that game with you.
Those of us who have devoted a lot of time and energy to this sport and the breed ARE in fact representing the sport and the breed by making it clear PUBLICLY and OFTEN that disingenous behavior such as yours is NOT only not representative of the sport and breed, it is NOT tolerated by turning a blind eye to it, or being "nice" to the malefactors. It means calling YOU out, as well as anyone else who engages in such behavior so blatantly, intentionally, and patently.
Maggs: Hey, you can read!! Now, do you know what "similarities" means? That is a rhetorical question, as I know not to expect anything resembling an intelligent response from you. I just looked at your post to see, if by chance, you had decided to find a bit of intellectual honesty. I remembered too late that such would require an intellect to begin with...
Go ahead, Maggs, let's see your return to ninth-grade, now. C'mon, name-calling, personal remarks, you know...what you are so well known for, in your revisits of your ninth grade "glory." LOL
YOU plastered your name all over the internet via your websites, facebook and Lord knows what else. I NEVER have. So, once again, you are simply displaying your dishonesty. Similarly, you display your dishonesty by posting a pm (that means PRIVATE message) without permission. I expected that of you, frankly, as you have displayed nothing else.
Secondly, you seem to confuse calling you out on your lies and dishonesty with being "mean." As has been pointed out to you on all three of these threads, ad nauseum, that whining lie is simply more of your dishonesty and attempts to play martyr. No, not everyone is going to play that game with you.
Those of us who have devoted a lot of time and energy to this sport and the breed ARE in fact representing the sport and the breed by making it clear PUBLICLY and OFTEN that disingenous behavior such as yours is NOT only not representative of the sport and breed, it is NOT tolerated by turning a blind eye to it, or being "nice" to the malefactors. It means calling YOU out, as well as anyone else who engages in such behavior so blatantly, intentionally, and patently.
Maggs: Hey, you can read!! Now, do you know what "similarities" means? That is a rhetorical question, as I know not to expect anything resembling an intelligent response from you.
I just looked at your post to see, if by chance, you had decided to find a bit of intellectual honesty. I remembered too late that such would require an intellect to begin with...Go ahead, Maggs, let's see your return to ninth-grade, now. C'mon, name-calling, personal remarks, you know...what you are so well known for, in your revisits of your ninth grade "glory." LOL
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