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by danny killeen on 27 December 2011 - 21:12
Long
by EchoEcho on 27 December 2011 - 22:12
gsdlvr4life do you have a picture of your dog as a 10 week old puppy? Would love to see it!!
by yellowrose of Texas on 27 December 2011 - 23:12
Absolutely, without a DOUBT, LONG STOCK COAT
CLUES
SHAPE OF FACE,
TUFFS ON TOP OF EARS, EXCESSIVE
TUFFS OUT OF EARS
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by EchoEcho on 28 December 2011 - 00:12
Does anyone know exactly what defines a long coat? There doesn't seem to be a clear definition and I have seen a variety of "long" coats. Is it all up to the judge??
by trixx on 28 December 2011 - 02:12
Long coat
by LARHAGE on 28 December 2011 - 20:12
Definately long coat and so cute!
by starrchar on 29 December 2011 - 02:12
Long stock coat! She is a cutie!
What defines a long stock coat? The typical LSC has an overall longer than normal coat, tufts on and in the ears, feathers between the toes, longer hair on the back of the fore legs, hind legs and belly, a thicker mane and full, bushy tail. Again, this is typical, but there are exceptions. Sometimes they don't have the tufts and/or the feathers. There are also many variations of the length of the coat too.
When the SV decided to re-instate the LSC I wondered how the LSC would be defined since there are so many variations. I don't show, but I guess it probably is up to the judge.
One more thing, the LSC has an undercoat, but the long haired or long coated GSD does not have an undercoat. Those without an undercoat can't be shown as it is a disqualifying fault.
I hope I made sense and this is somewhat helpful.
Char
What defines a long stock coat? The typical LSC has an overall longer than normal coat, tufts on and in the ears, feathers between the toes, longer hair on the back of the fore legs, hind legs and belly, a thicker mane and full, bushy tail. Again, this is typical, but there are exceptions. Sometimes they don't have the tufts and/or the feathers. There are also many variations of the length of the coat too.
When the SV decided to re-instate the LSC I wondered how the LSC would be defined since there are so many variations. I don't show, but I guess it probably is up to the judge.
One more thing, the LSC has an undercoat, but the long haired or long coated GSD does not have an undercoat. Those without an undercoat can't be shown as it is a disqualifying fault.
I hope I made sense and this is somewhat helpful.
Char
by EchoEcho on 29 December 2011 - 05:12
Yes Starrchar that was exactly the information I was looking for. Seems everyone is ready to call this puppy a LSC (meaning he has an undercoat correct?). How can you tell this young if he is going to have an undercoat? So a dog with hair in the ears, toes, over all long coat is considered a fault but not a disqualifying fault, the disqualifying factor is the lack of an undercoat. The breeder I got him from thinks he could still be a stock coat. He said his female had a very long coat like this until she was 4 months old. His hair does seem to be getting longer as time goes on so I tend to think he will be a long coat. But then he doesn't have the long fur on his legs and the fur around his ears isn't as long as I would expect at this age for a true long coat. Which then leads me to the question of what exactly is considered a long coat. I have seen longer coated dogs without hair around the ears but I think most would be hard pressed to call them SC. Sounds like coat length is all up to who ever is looking at the pup:) Thanks so much for the post!!
by starrchar on 29 December 2011 - 20:12
Yes, a long stock coat has an undercoat.
A long stock coat is not a fault under the SV, but the SV LSC registry is a separate registry from the stock coats and so are the classes. AKC considers the the long coat, with or without an undercoat a, fault, but I don't know if the LSC is a disqualifying fault or not.
Only time will tell for certain if your pup is a LSC. He probably won't have significant long hair on his legs until he gets his adult coat. At 4 months of age the coaties are generally fluffier than the SC and the feet feathers and ear tufts are somewhat evident, but that's about it. That's why the determination can be a challenge sometimes. Really, only time will tell if he is a coatie. I personally have never seen a coated GSD that did not have an undercoat, but I know they do exist.
My last dog, a stock coated German show line male had a very full, plush, thick, "longish" coat, but there was no question he was a stock coat. The subject of the coaties and how they are defined has been discussed here before and one poster said, "You know it when you see it." Although not every coated GSD has all the defining traits, I think 99% of the time this is true.
I wish you the very best with that beautiful pup of yours.
Char
A long stock coat is not a fault under the SV, but the SV LSC registry is a separate registry from the stock coats and so are the classes. AKC considers the the long coat, with or without an undercoat a, fault, but I don't know if the LSC is a disqualifying fault or not.
Only time will tell for certain if your pup is a LSC. He probably won't have significant long hair on his legs until he gets his adult coat. At 4 months of age the coaties are generally fluffier than the SC and the feet feathers and ear tufts are somewhat evident, but that's about it. That's why the determination can be a challenge sometimes. Really, only time will tell if he is a coatie. I personally have never seen a coated GSD that did not have an undercoat, but I know they do exist.
My last dog, a stock coated German show line male had a very full, plush, thick, "longish" coat, but there was no question he was a stock coat. The subject of the coaties and how they are defined has been discussed here before and one poster said, "You know it when you see it." Although not every coated GSD has all the defining traits, I think 99% of the time this is true.
I wish you the very best with that beautiful pup of yours.
Char
by starrchar on 29 December 2011 - 20:12
Echo, Check out the dogs and yongsters on this website and you'll see the wide variation of coats. Be sure to look at the photos of the young dogs. http://www.house-barrett.com/index1.htm You'll see that some of the dogs look like furry bears and the others look like they are barely long coated (Romy is an example of this).
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