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by Ibrahim on 12 October 2011 - 20:10
Red Sable,
The first one got her pasterns from the show parent side, the picture is about 1.5 month old, her pasterns are much better now but still will hopefully strengthen more.
The second one hocks are good, I have no worry about them. Both the mothers are the show and both the parents are work.
At the moment I like the first one more, I have hopes she will be a very good GSD in character and conformation (my ambition is not a VA nor a Sport champ, lol), in regards to structure, arms are straight, feet are tight, hock joints are good, no over angulation.
I have no perfect dog, cat pasterns, weak pasterns, east west fronts, cow hocks, flat croup, steep croup etc, from discussing my dogs on the PDB I can apply now for a PhD in GSD faults, lol.
Ibrahim
The first one got her pasterns from the show parent side, the picture is about 1.5 month old, her pasterns are much better now but still will hopefully strengthen more.
The second one hocks are good, I have no worry about them. Both the mothers are the show and both the parents are work.
At the moment I like the first one more, I have hopes she will be a very good GSD in character and conformation (my ambition is not a VA nor a Sport champ, lol), in regards to structure, arms are straight, feet are tight, hock joints are good, no over angulation.
I have no perfect dog, cat pasterns, weak pasterns, east west fronts, cow hocks, flat croup, steep croup etc, from discussing my dogs on the PDB I can apply now for a PhD in GSD faults, lol.
Ibrahim
by Ibrahim on 12 October 2011 - 21:10
Red Sable, my show line pup has the highest tailset I saw till now, lol
by Red Sable on 12 October 2011 - 21:10
LOL, me too! ( not tailset, but PhD for faults!)
One more question: Do you feel, from what you are observing, that the mother seemed to pass along many of the structural genes, and the father the temperament? or do you think the pups are half way in between. Or has the cross strengthened most of the faults of the parents? Does this make any sense?
One more question: Do you feel, from what you are observing, that the mother seemed to pass along many of the structural genes, and the father the temperament? or do you think the pups are half way in between. Or has the cross strengthened most of the faults of the parents? Does this make any sense?
by Red Sable on 12 October 2011 - 21:10
Is that your pup Ibrahim? Beautiful pigment, slightly high in the tail, but I like her. 
We all have things that we are picky about, mine are head, earset, FEET, PASTERNS, ANGULATION and tail carriage. I can handle a higher tailset, doesn't bother me at all. Eye colour is also not as important. Temperament (lack of courage, spooks) is huge to me also.
We all have things that we are picky about, mine are head, earset, FEET, PASTERNS, ANGULATION and tail carriage. I can handle a higher tailset, doesn't bother me at all. Eye colour is also not as important. Temperament (lack of courage, spooks) is huge to me also.
by Ibrahim on 12 October 2011 - 21:10
Yes it does
I will tell you the falults and strengths of the parents and the resulting pup
1st female
Mother negatives: stretched, slightly splayed feet, slightly weak pasterns, slightly cow hocked, rear over angulated, no protection instinct, not wary, anyone is her friend, not alert, low drives.
Mother positives : Very good upper arm, shoulder blade lay, front chest developments, chest depth, croup lay and length, safe nature.
Father negatives: slightly short and steep upper arm, barrel chest, short and flat croup, less rear angulation.
Father positives: Very high drives, substance, straight arms, tight feet, strong pasterns, big bones, head, rich pigment, good nerves, athletic and outgoing.
The female has no serious draw backs in structure and much better character, temperament and drives than her mother.
I can safely say she got the best from her father character and he rectified the splayed feet & weak hocks and added to the pigment. From the mother she got the croup and tailset and in regards to the front she is less than the mother but better than the father, when you look at her character you wonder if her mother is truly hers.
Ibrahim
I will tell you the falults and strengths of the parents and the resulting pup
1st female
Mother negatives: stretched, slightly splayed feet, slightly weak pasterns, slightly cow hocked, rear over angulated, no protection instinct, not wary, anyone is her friend, not alert, low drives.
Mother positives : Very good upper arm, shoulder blade lay, front chest developments, chest depth, croup lay and length, safe nature.
Father negatives: slightly short and steep upper arm, barrel chest, short and flat croup, less rear angulation.
Father positives: Very high drives, substance, straight arms, tight feet, strong pasterns, big bones, head, rich pigment, good nerves, athletic and outgoing.
The female has no serious draw backs in structure and much better character, temperament and drives than her mother.
I can safely say she got the best from her father character and he rectified the splayed feet & weak hocks and added to the pigment. From the mother she got the croup and tailset and in regards to the front she is less than the mother but better than the father, when you look at her character you wonder if her mother is truly hers.
Ibrahim
by Ibrahim on 12 October 2011 - 21:10
The second female
Mother negatives: slightly high tailset, slightly short croup, short front upper arm, cow hocked, weak nerves.
Mother positives: Good proportions, good chest depth, good pasterns and tight feet, straight front arms.
Father negatives: cat pasterns, east west front, deep chest, slightly high tailset, slightly short croup.
Father positives: Strong character, strong nerves, good drives, substance, rich pigment, very good front upper arm.
The female is good, maybe little high tailset, feet tight, front angulation in the middle, straight front arms, still watching to see how her character develops.
Can you tell me what you think of her croup?
Ibrahim
Mother negatives: slightly high tailset, slightly short croup, short front upper arm, cow hocked, weak nerves.
Mother positives: Good proportions, good chest depth, good pasterns and tight feet, straight front arms.
Father negatives: cat pasterns, east west front, deep chest, slightly high tailset, slightly short croup.
Father positives: Strong character, strong nerves, good drives, substance, rich pigment, very good front upper arm.
The female is good, maybe little high tailset, feet tight, front angulation in the middle, straight front arms, still watching to see how her character develops.
Can you tell me what you think of her croup?
Ibrahim
by Ibrahim on 12 October 2011 - 21:10
Red Sable,
It is he, lol. Then that is one more fault in him, he doesn't look man enough
It is he, lol. Then that is one more fault in him, he doesn't look man enough
by Red Sable on 12 October 2011 - 21:10
LOL, sorry, just used to the girls being the pretty ones. ;) He's still young, I'm sure he will be very masculine!
The croup is a little steep, but that is another thing that doesn't bother me at all. ( I forgot to mention that!)
Why is a steep croup a fault btw? How does it affect a dogs performance?
The croup is a little steep, but that is another thing that doesn't bother me at all. ( I forgot to mention that!)
Why is a steep croup a fault btw? How does it affect a dogs performance?
by Ibrahim on 12 October 2011 - 21:10
It will affect the beauty of the gait, rear will kick up a little but most importanly it will affect the effeciency of froce/drive thrust from rear to topline to front, like consuming more fuel to cover a set distance.
Ibrahim
Ibrahim
by Red Sable on 12 October 2011 - 22:10
Very interesting. Okay, I'm going to show you two dogs, you tell me which one you think can cover ground better (and yes, I know the answer :P)
Sorry, I tried to get a good pic, but as you can see (it took 3 of us) we don't know much about photography and got the sun at the wrong angle. Really this dog has a straight croup, it looks more
rounded in this pic than it really is. Almost too straight for my tastes. The second dog is quite steep in the croup, and slightly rounded in the back.
Sorry, I tried to get a good pic, but as you can see (it took 3 of us) we don't know much about photography and got the sun at the wrong angle. Really this dog has a straight croup, it looks more
rounded in this pic than it really is. Almost too straight for my tastes. The second dog is quite steep in the croup, and slightly rounded in the back.Contact information Disclaimer Privacy Statement Copyright Information Terms of Service Cookie policy ↑ Back to top
