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by BlackthornGSD on 12 October 2011 - 16:10
The same dog, gaited on leash, a more formal situation....
by shri on 12 October 2011 - 16:10
(Mirada Pics)Nice front reach,I guess she has a slight steep croup from these movement pictures,may be I am wrong.The front reach is very correct and the dog is not lifting the fronts too much again signifies that she has good front assembly and balanced angulations.
by Nans gsd on 12 October 2011 - 16:10
Yep; and very nice rear extention; in order to move like the above dog and Dingo, you need the dog to have good reach and drive, front & rear then they can cover the ground. They are born with these angles by the way; it is up to the owner to teach the dog how to move and of course the all important conditioning and I don't mean on a treadmill. BOL Nan
PS: nice tribute to Flipp von Arlett on that video of Dingo. All his offspring. Really beautiful.
PS: nice tribute to Flipp von Arlett on that video of Dingo. All his offspring. Really beautiful.
by Ibrahim on 12 October 2011 - 17:10
I just want to ad this and please do not understand it negatively, the longer the fore leg the longer the reach and that does not necessarily mean correct open of front. Some GSDs show better front reach due to longer front arms than other GSDs with correct better open front but less reach due to shorter fore leg. That beautiful GSD of the OP has excellent reach though the front upper arm is slightly short, the good thing about her reach is how good both the upper and front arm form almost a straight one piece in extreme reach. Some GSDs especially at young age show such a reach then when muscles become firmer the reach reduces a bit. The question here is how long can she endure a gait with the same reach ?
Ibrahim
Ibrahim
by Xeph on 12 October 2011 - 17:10
I guess she has a slight steep croup from these movement pictures
You are correct. Grooming can make it look better for stacking, but you'll catch it in motion if you know what you're looking at. She kicks up a little in the rear because of that croup.
The question here is how long can she endure a gait with the same reach
Ibrahim, my answer is "I don't know", and honestly, wouldn't expect to know. I've viewed (and been taught to view) that the full out gait we ask for in the show ring is largely to show how the dog opens when it is at maximum speed, as opposed to a working speed.
The gait I have of her next to the bike is what I would call her working speed, and I believe she could keep that up all day. Some of the other shots I do not think she could maintain, because I am asking for "more more more". I used the shot because it shows her open shoulder at maximum extension.
The last photo I showed that is from September is her at the age of 20 months. She is again at a speed I wouldn't expect her to work at all day.
You are correct. Grooming can make it look better for stacking, but you'll catch it in motion if you know what you're looking at. She kicks up a little in the rear because of that croup.
The question here is how long can she endure a gait with the same reach
Ibrahim, my answer is "I don't know", and honestly, wouldn't expect to know. I've viewed (and been taught to view) that the full out gait we ask for in the show ring is largely to show how the dog opens when it is at maximum speed, as opposed to a working speed.
The gait I have of her next to the bike is what I would call her working speed, and I believe she could keep that up all day. Some of the other shots I do not think she could maintain, because I am asking for "more more more". I used the shot because it shows her open shoulder at maximum extension.
The last photo I showed that is from September is her at the age of 20 months. She is again at a speed I wouldn't expect her to work at all day.
by Xeph on 12 October 2011 - 17:10
Blackthorn, I was hoping you'd post Orus! That's a beautiful open shoulder! I definitely do not care for his motion in the on lead shot, but he's being held up by the tight lead.
I tried to post loose lead/offlead shots (as Blackthorn did) so people could see the open shoulders without the hindrance of the handler.
The bitch I posted loses some of her forehand on leash if she's straining too hard to go.
ETA example:
I'd also like to mention that a picture can make a bad dog look excellent, and an excellent dog look horrific. Photos are all about timing, and so things may not always be what they seem, but they can still be a useful tool.
The above is what my bitch looks like when she's working too hard (I threw her fizbee, we were working on targeting and she got a little over exuberant). You can see how she's lost a bit of her forehand because the lead is tight and I'm holding her back. Instead of being open and free, she is now restricted and a bit stilted, because she's fighting me.
I tried to post loose lead/offlead shots (as Blackthorn did) so people could see the open shoulders without the hindrance of the handler.
The bitch I posted loses some of her forehand on leash if she's straining too hard to go.
ETA example:
I'd also like to mention that a picture can make a bad dog look excellent, and an excellent dog look horrific. Photos are all about timing, and so things may not always be what they seem, but they can still be a useful tool.
The above is what my bitch looks like when she's working too hard (I threw her fizbee, we were working on targeting and she got a little over exuberant). You can see how she's lost a bit of her forehand because the lead is tight and I'm holding her back. Instead of being open and free, she is now restricted and a bit stilted, because she's fighting me.
by Ibrahim on 12 October 2011 - 17:10
The pictures at 9 months, looking at first picture on the right, her hock extention (open angle) is marvellous, I heard fewer GSDs have that good opening of the hock nowadays.
Ibrahim
Ibrahim
by Xeph on 12 October 2011 - 17:10
Oop! You posted while I was editing. I appreciate the observation. It's nice to hear good things (and it is ok to hear the negatives, too) :)
by SitasMom on 12 October 2011 - 18:10
They sure have changed since 1983......
Dingo is known as THE DOG WITH THE BEST GAIT...
He looks nothing like the Seiger of today.
by Xeph on 12 October 2011 - 18:10
He looks nothing like the Seiger of today.
Nope, but that's not what the thread is about :)
By the way, American line people also acknowledge what a GREAT mover Dingo was. He is often used as an example of excellent motion :)
Nope, but that's not what the thread is about :)
By the way, American line people also acknowledge what a GREAT mover Dingo was. He is often used as an example of excellent motion :)
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