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by darylehret on 03 December 2017 - 17:12
by NeinNein on 03 December 2017 - 18:12
OK, NeinNein, I'll put it this way--hardheadedness is not exclusive to dogs that are civil, and civilness is not exclusive to dogs that are hardheaded.
Capisci?
Bravo. There is hope for you, Young Grasshopper.
by NeinNein on 03 December 2017 - 18:12
Baerenfangs Erbe wrote:
And no, it's not just how you raise them.... absolutely not!
Of course not. Was this directed at me? Did I ever say "just"? I happen to own an over-the-top civil dog that is a wonderful member of our household.
by NeinNein on 03 December 2017 - 18:12
Glock wrote:
I personally have not seen this extreme but I have seen dogs whose presence and sense of maleness alone that can spark fear in the average person.
I have. It is frigtening. I remember seeing one that shook me up so much that I thought I wouldn't return to the club. Rare, but they do exist.
by duke1965 on 03 December 2017 - 19:12
not being able to take away a ball from a dog has nothing to do with being civil, nor with being hardheaded, and since the most KNPV dogs are mixes out of mixes it is very hard to say what is coming from where
by Glock on 03 December 2017 - 19:12
I don't think it is fair to label these dogs as fear biters.
by NeinNein on 03 December 2017 - 19:12
duke1965 wrote:
not being able to take away a ball from a dog has nothing to do with being civil, nor with being hardheaded, and since the most KNPV dogs are mixes out of mixes it is very hard to say what is coming from where
Agree. It's just a dog being a douche to the owner(s) and it should have never gotten to that level in the first place.
by duke1965 on 03 December 2017 - 19:12
by NeinNein on 03 December 2017 - 19:12
Duke 1965 wrote:
it got to do with level of possesiveness
Which would not even be an issue if the dog realized who the boss was.
When I first started in Schutzhund, a German trainer told me that the most important thing is that the dog knows you are the boss and ALWAYS the boss. Many owners have the idea that they are the boss when in fact they are not. Proof: A dog that just obeys some of the time (or just some commands).
by duke1965 on 03 December 2017 - 19:12
possesiveness is genetic trait, not a trained or untrained one, some stronger dogs you cannot train or command, not to be possesive
furthermore, civil dogs are extremely suitable for law enforcement
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