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by 1doggie2 on 27 March 2010 - 19:03

you stated you were in the room with others that came and went no issues. the vet may have had a smell on him that caused this reaction. when he saw him next and was calm, he may have taken off his lab coat, washed his hands?

Scoutk9GSDs

by Scoutk9GSDs on 27 March 2010 - 20:03

How often are you going to be going to the vet anyway?

It could have been a multitude of things. Again...for this dog based on the info given. It isn't that big a deal. Congrats....you have a GSD! 


by malshep on 27 March 2010 - 20:03

I like leaving a door open, when a person comes in  I do not want them to interact with the dog only interact with me. Once I feel the dog is comfortable sniffing or doing what ever it needs to do then I always tell the person what the game plan is to handle the dog.  Example some dogs are given a treat by the stranger or the handler asks the dog if they want to say hello. The meet and greet has been practiced as a puppy.  Your dog should trust you, but if there is a reaction towards a person, they crossed the line and should be called on it. Once everything is calmed down and the dog submits to being handled, keep on telling them they are being good. And of course a muzzle should be apart of the routine, then you can shut the door if you want. I like doing the homework because the vet office is not a bad place, being examined is just another OB routine.
JMO
Always,
Cee

by hodie on 27 March 2010 - 20:03

Malshep writes:  "being examined is just another OB routine". My point exactly!

by 1doggie2 on 27 March 2010 - 21:03

Malshep and Hodie, to funny it really is that simple and so right!

Red Sable

by Red Sable on 27 March 2010 - 23:03

However, he met all of the people there, some pet him, he wagged his tail, and we went on into the room. The first person to come in he was fine with. He didn't like her taking his temp, but he was fine with her. The second person to come in was a guy, the vet that runs the place. Anubis lit up as he approached towards me in the room, barking at him, ready to bite. Though it sounded more of a defense type bark

I agree with Scout.  Perfectly normal.  This dog just had a thermometer up his butt, he is in a small room, and a man comes in, he is going to be suspicious and slightly defensive.    When he went out of the room, again he was fine.  No threat.   Sounds like a good dog to me.

Personally, I don't think he would of bit him.   I don't know your dog, but my dogs are much more ferocious looking on a lead, let them off, and they mellow down considerably.  A lot of it is bravado.

GSDguy08

by GSDguy08 on 28 March 2010 - 02:03

Tonight I've taken Anubis in town to some different places.  I am convinced that he was only reacting to the situation, and I do not believe he is aggressive....a little out of line, but not a bad dog.  He went with me to two stores....guess what, absolutely no reaction to ANYONE.  Perfectly stable, walked past numerous people,  let him sniff out certain areas, and he did great.  I got him to put his paws up on the counter at the checkout, she pet him, and we talked for a while.....he had no bad reaction the whole night towards men, women, or children.  Anyone approaching towards us he was fine with, alert, but focused on what we were doing. I just do not see him as a problem dog.  I think the vet goes back to a few things....one the different smells, both dogs and the vet himself, and his energy being put off (the vet can be pretty cocky)  Anubis was did not get a lot of exercise that day or the two days before it.  The more energy drained the better any dog is, and we had just gone straight out the door from waking up that morning.  I too would light up if someone was taking my temp that way.

Red Sable thats the way Anubis is too for the most part.  Off leash he checks you out, and then goes to play with his toys.  He watches, but he is totally fine with strangers as long as they aren't acting like idiots.  Also to say that I talked to Ramona in the past about Anubis' sire, Mambo z Pohranicni Straze.  She said he is a dog who is to approach you.  He is a sharp dog, and you must use good dog sense around him.....this was a while back before I got Anubis as a pup when I was talking to her about Mambo.


Prager

by Prager on 28 March 2010 - 06:03

The dog was OK with non dominant friendly person measuring his temperature.  And was not OK with dominant, direct and  confidant  veterinarian. The behavioral problem can be solved by :
a) managing the problem (necessary=>muzzle).
b) controlling the problem.(  Dangerous)
c) defusing the problem (best way). Point 1 and 2 below deals with some methods of  defusing the problem.

1. Dog does not see you as a leader and feels that he needs to take care of the situation, especially stressful situation. This should have been resolved with "I am charge here" handling of the dog by you, by showing him that you are in control. Petting the dog and talking to him in soothing voice is  a wrong thing to do because you are using positive reinforcement and positive is adding thus you are adding on the emotions currently in the dog's head. (That is how you train a protection dog; dog growls at a bad guy/decoy and you are petting him for it ).
I would make sure that dog is looking at you and up to you. There may be too late to do this in the vet clinic, but you need to establish proper relationship and leadership position with your dog under guidance of a good trainer who is recognizing the problem described and is willing to apply positive X negative reinforcement method of training. 

2. Vet should take time to build relationship before he approaches the dog of this type<..talk with higher pitch of the voice , offer a meaty treat and so on, rather then go directly to poking and prodding of the dog. Even so he may not have done this at this time yet, he may have done it before and dog remembers such people and or such attitudes of such people. What the vet did may work on a submissive dogs but not all dogs are submissive.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

4pack

by 4pack on 28 March 2010 - 06:03

I have to agree with pientje and Prager. Going to Home Depot with your dog isn't going to help. My older male has been dragged all over 2 counties as a pup/young dog, socializing and never acts up in public. He is perfectly safe to take to a fair or parade with all walks of people, he just hates the vets office. 1 vet takes the time to talk with me at leangth, while she feeds him Yummy Chummies and ask him to sit/down a few times before laying hands on him.

I always suggest that I take temps myself, swab ears or do scrapings, my dog even growls at me taking his temp but he wont bite me. I feel more comfortable knowing my dog and how far to push him. Last time, it took me 3 hard corrections, just short of starting to choke him out before he shut the hell up and let me stick him in the butt. No vet who sees a dog 1-2 a year is going to be confident enough to handle him this way, nor would I want another person to handle my dog this way.

Not sure what the trigger is, he is an angel in the waiting room  and walking through the mass of dogs/cats and waiting in the room for the vets. He greets the techs, gets weighed fine but anyone approach him with thermometer or the thing they look in their ears with...game over. Is it the object, is it them leaning into him, is it their hesitation, is it fomer bad experiences?

It's something I don't see us working through. I have had dogs that didn't like the vets but they handled it differently. Different dogs with diff temperaments. Some want to duck out the door and run, others just submit. Sure those made for easier dogs and visits, but I'll gladly deal with the one PITA habit this dog brings to the vets, for his same never give up attitude that is awesome the rest of the time. So yeah, he has to be sedated for xrays & ear cleanings so far. It costs me more but whatcha gonna do? 1 dog out of all the rest in my life aint bad. I don't think it's something I caused or allowed. It's just the way things are with this one.

ZIN

by ZIN on 28 March 2010 - 15:03

If someone stuck something up my but I may growl at the next person to approach me to. I say you are doing everything you can to find the correct answer but only you can determine which answer or answers you have received is correct because it's your know you know him best and you were the only one there. Everyone has valid points but the bottom line is your dog shows zero aggression at any other time so you just have to figure out how to make his vet experience as pleasant as possible which could be a different thread but I think you already know what to do. The only thing I would add is make sure you are the alfa and make sure he knows you will always protect him.





 


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