Proofing the off leash - Page 4

Did ANYONE count his steps?????  He was pretty short on most all of them!!!!!  He needs to make sure his steps are correct because that is points lost needlessly by the handler!!!!!!  The judge will notice on the SchH1-3, BH not so important.

Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com

i dont know this ray guy but he sounds a bit of a pleb whats his problem the dodgy guy i  bet he has a dog with like 5 diffirent breeds in it i bet the dog runs wild and he has no control over it hes needs to get a life and  stop judgeing people i train dogs and i still have loads and loads to learn i bet ray does nothing all day but chat shit about other peoples skills etc

Most of us here know that raymond has totally misunderstood this entire thread.

A video was posted and people simply tried to be encouraging and positive to someone who admitted this was their FIRST TIME OFF LEAD. IMO, that was a nice thing to do. Phil's point about hey, let's take it further and not just be encouraging, but take it deeper and help the guy fix issues before they become set was an excellent point, and so therefore then people chimed in and took it deeper. That's all it was.

I enjoyed the video, thought it was nice that people actually emphasized the positive instead of bashing, and then thought it even better that people said ok, let's give a real critique and help them (and by association, the rest of us) improve.  The pdb at it's best! 

Tess has it right! It was A FIRST TIME OFF LEASH!! What is it that is so difficult for you ro comprehend about that? People who ACTUALLY TRAIN generally, except for nasty, mean-spirited bird-brains ( who do not train, as it happens), try to encourage and motivate. You don't just weigh in with "everything you do wrong." That is very much like training at the field: only the curmudgeons and nasties offer nothing but "correction" and no praise/reward. It is not the way to motivate either people, OR dogs. This is basic stuff that anyone who actually trains would know. I recall that one club kicked you out, using your dog as an excuse. Have you found a club to train with since? Are you training at all?

Myster is that the best you got! I expect you to retract your statement ! No club kicked me out! You are a liar !!!!!!!!! But you are only exibitting the traits so familiar with people of no character! Hmm perhaps you know something I do not know about the last club I was not kicked out of using my dog as an excuse!   Basic stuff hugh! then why did the professionals not correct that basic stuff? You nia are a chump and a very big chump to boot! No ene who trains will allow a handler or dog to continue in a bad habit  when they observe it ! they make the handler aware of the bad habit and try to help correct it!   Oh yes I am training  with a new club!1 I refuse to train at a club full of shallow two faced hypocrites as you and those others! Unfortunately the dog world is full of people like you ! If and I am sure I will make errors I expect and demand my club members to help me correct the problem! I would hope that online clubs or sites would help with honesty and correct advice other than you doing great or super when there are obcvious problems! You and those others are no help to new handlers!  Oh the club I am at now has done more in 6 months to help me than all the previous club did in one year! that club I choose to leave because of their arrogant attitudes1 No club member tells a newbie that they will be wasting their time on the new dog in front of the training director!and laugh about it! Is that the type of person you are mystere! And aside from this forum keep your nose out of my personel business! do we understand one another nia?

Struck a nerve, huh??? Yes, you told us long ago about being kicked out because your dog was not worth training, so they said. At that time, which was before your psychosis was splattered all over the internet, Syteve and I suggested that the dog may have been an excuse. You conceded as much at the time!! LOL ¶No, Ray, we do not understand each other, because I do not have a degree in abnormal psychology. I am not a mental health professionalm, which is what would be needed to understand you. I only have a gues as to your pathology; a mental health professional would have to make the actual diagnosis. I recall you mentioning more than once that your personal doctor questioned your mental state, too . You need help, Ray. Get off the computer and get some!! Now that I have refused your directive, whatta ya gonn do about it? LOL You are too chicken to step out from your anonymity and tell us who you actually are. I don't believe for a second that any club is putting up with you.

Mystere and Tess,
You are both correct.  Hopefully, Krieger comes back and can ignore the nonsense.  It's one thing to be able to look at words on a screen or paper, it's a completely different thing to be able to actually comprehend what is written.  It is entirely another thing to be able to express your own thoughts intelligently in speech or writing.  Obviously, this is lacking in Raymond. 

I once read a statement in a newspaper "We try to please everyone, we know there are some mistakes in this paper. Those mistakes are intentionally left in the paper;  because some people are only happy when they can find something wrong.  We want to make those people happy too."

Maybe some day Raymond, you will find something that brings joy to your life.  It is obvious that you are an unhappy soul with little in life that truly satisfies you or brings you happiness.  Raymond, I do hope that you find something, a relationship, a hobby, spending time with your dog, something that brings happiness and fulfillment to your day.  The inner torment that you go through on a daily basis can not be easy to bear.  You have made your point here, now perhaps you can go out and look for the good in something in your world.  You are not looking in the right places or do not have the right frame of mind to see it. 

JMO FWIW,

Jim

But JIm it was you who were blowing smoke up someones ass! Not me ! If I ask you for an honest evaluation I expect honesty and not deceit!  And all you got to offer up are insults and slander! Did you catch the incorrect sitz in the routine? NO you did not! But all you could do is heap accolades upon the man asking for help in critiquing his routine! why not take you silly hypocritical arse back to the kitchen get a plate and wait for me to give you that crow i am a cookin for you!  Phill called you on it and all you can do is attack me for my grammar skills!  Slam I hope someday you will learn how important it is to be untwofaced and honestly tell the truth when someone asks you/ do you also lie when testifying in front of the judge?I hope kreiger comes back and I know now for sure he knows you three are a bunch of phonies! Liars and well not to be trusted! You slam and insult me all you want !  I got plenty of relationships and hobbies and am fully content and satisfied! Training is going very good and I am learning from real dog people all about frauds like the three of you guys1Hell jim at least tell the truth ! If you can not be trusted to be honest in an evaluation what fck good are for?

Oh mystere I see your prosecutorial skills are in good form! Is that all you got??????????????????? Personel insults !!!!!  struck a nerve ? No I deal with trash like you on a daily basis!  Yep you are pretty well known in the dog world! Not a reputation to be proud of either! I still wonder why you do not adress the issue at hand! Fraudelent critiques ! deception caught on film !  setting the record straight ! Never kicked out or even asked to resign! Leaving was my decision not that of anyone else1 Same as if I was a member of a club and you joined I would leave ! But fortunatel enough I would have a vote in the matter! Oh dear you gotta come up with way more than what you got to phase me! After all there have been many pm's concerning you and your characterLO LOL LOL    Oh yes nia you are misinformed of your anticipated high standing on this site

Let's get back to the truth: 

What Phil said was "don't blow smoke up his ass", meaning don't just compliment the guy, give him a critique.  Only someone completely cluess about dog training and schutzhund could turn that into:  "fraudulent critiques deception caught on film".  ahahhahhahahhahah!!!!!!   Remember this is coming from the guy who is so inept he can't even proof his dog off leash let alone prepare for a BH.

I agree with Jim, let's stop humoring him, he likes any attention, even negative attention.  Could he possibly be so stupid as to not even realize how foolish all this claptrap of his is?