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nonacona60

by nonacona60 on 09 April 2010 - 18:04

Once again, Thanks for all the input...

I've put a fork in this topic..I'M DONE WITH IT   !!!!


ziegenfarm

by ziegenfarm on 09 April 2010 - 19:04

what do you want to bet?  we will be seeing an ad on the pdb for this breeding in about 90 days.......or less.
dammit!
pjp

nonacona60

by nonacona60 on 09 April 2010 - 19:04

PJP, U better read the original post very good before you make a bet and someone takes you up on it.....  Oh thats right, you have a gift that u know what other people will do before they know.....I'm so glad you can see into my future. Guess I better plan on that breeding since I can't see the future but PJP can.. Guess he has A crystal ball....Maybe he should put it to good use and try to solve this country's economy problem...now that would be an accomplishment!!!

GSDoogieMom10

by GSDoogieMom10 on 09 April 2010 - 19:04

LMAO!!  I love how people here sure know how to make assumptions.. Do any of you personally know this person? How can you sit here an bet that you will see an ad from this breeding in 90 days. How stupid can some people be really? Once again to many people worried bout stiring shit and claiming they wanna do right and better the breed well stop critizing people. No matter how much time effort an reasearch you may put into one breeding you will always have to cross your fingers and hope things will turn out good. I "BET" there is not a one person in the world that can do a breeding and honestly say they are 100% sure that everything will come out great, and if you say you can your full of shit.. You can take 2 dogs that have perfect pedigrees excellent hips and normal elbows and there is always that possibility that you may have a pup or 2 that will be displastice. and some may be awsome workers some may be awsome pets thats every litter. How many police officers have titled dogs? I know it used to be they didnt give 2 shits bout that after all papers and titles dont bite the pysical dog does. And still they dont care I placed my pup with the police dept told them I wasnt giving them papers on him because I didnt want him to be bred and he isnt titled. Besides ScHh is practically a sport. Oh wow look my dog can play a game.. Thats good it looks awsome on paper its just proving your dog can do it, yes it takes skill and time but it doesnt make a working breed dog sooo much better than a showline dog. I believe breed properly whether it be show or working a good well balanced shepherd can do what u ask of it. Lets just remember people that whether it be Show lines Working lines or cross lines they all come from the same dogs.

ziegenfarm

by ziegenfarm on 09 April 2010 - 20:04

time and time again, i've seen people post such as this........asking for opinions.  bah!  they aren't looking for opinions or advice.  they are looking for support for their half-crocked notions whether its breeding or training.  this post was blazing with all the classic warning signs.  larry filo has been around for a long time and respected in many circles.  at least he owns up to the fact that some of his breedings were less than successful.  learn from what he says.  i have written page upon page not only on this board, but on others as well in regards to crossing showlines with workinglines.......so much so that i am tired of repeating myself.  infact, it was only a few weeks ago i was writing about the length of time involved, the number of generations, amount of crate and kennel space required, etc etc.  i am not against breeding showlines to workinglines, but as with any breeding, there must be purpose behind it, knowledge and perseverance.  you need to be prepared to devote a minimum of 3 generations to producing the results you want.  you must be prepared to devote the space and finances to keep the dogs that are "a work in process."  this is not an endeavor for someone who expects immediate results.  it is not an endeavor for someone with limited finances.  there have been plenty of old timers who aspired to the same goal - a beautiful workingdog or a showdog that could work.  sounds admirable, but in truth, you will produce a lot of undesirables along the way.  what becomes of these dogs?  very often, these breedings amount to no more than reinventing the wheel.  it does little or nothing to improve the breed as a whole.
pjp

nonacona60

by nonacona60 on 09 April 2010 - 21:04

People are just too quick to judge.....

kitkat3478

by kitkat3478 on 10 April 2010 - 11:04

nonacona60,
      I by no means am an expert, but I myself like that breeding. there are lots of great dogs in there. Some of which are themselves modeled from a breeder that mixed the working/ show lines and that if you check pedigrees the way I do, you see there are other breeders right here on this site that have the same lines.
      I myself think a breeding like this would be better than a mating of two top show lines that all come from the same dogs. I am for the most part am a showline person, but I have been seriously rethinking what I want to produce in the future. I have some excellent showlines, that I am looking into working lines to breed them to, When I am ready for another litter.
     Actually, I'm going the DDR route, as soon as I find the lines and the looks i'm looking for.
     As with any litter, you must be prepared to take the bad with the good (if it was that easy, all the top breeders would produce nothing but top dogs).To keep any pups you cannot home, take BACK any dog that is not wanted, but, as I'm sure you already know, You MUST find the right buyer for each pup, and I'd be expecting to find sport or at the very least, active families for that breeding.

nonacona60

by nonacona60 on 10 April 2010 - 13:04

Kitkat, I am so glad that some people are not narrow minded and blinded. I am into the working dog, DDR mainly, but was looking to change things up alittle just as you maybe doing, but from the opposite end. LOL!!! We may be the only two willing to admitt it though. Most on here are afraid to say anything because of all the critizing from others. Oh well, so be it.  Yes, I realize that when a breeding takes place the results maynot be everyone's cup of tea. It goes without saying, that when breeding, you must be prepared for the puppies that may be returned or unwanted. But that could happen with the "perfect working line or showline" breeding as well as with a working/show line cross. NO breeding is so awesome that the entire litter is perfect. Actually, in the real world a  perfect puppy has never been produced. Only in a fantasy world that may happen. I wouldn't even consider a breeding of ANY kind if I weren't in a position to take back puppies or hold on to puppies or keep forever, until I found the perfect home. Thats why I do not have many litters. If I can't find the perfect situation for my puppies, they will be able to remain with me. I guess I have been blessed, because in 30+ yrs I have never had a puppy returned or not been able to find the right home for it. But than I haven't bred 50+ litters either. Thats part of being a responsible breeder. Maybe thats why so many on here panicked at the thought of that breeding. They know what its like to get stuck with a puppy they can't find the right situation for, and can't or dont want to keep it. . Like I said, I must be blessed, or whatever you want to call it. LOL!!!
 
At any rate, to those of you who took the time to respond to the original post, I appreciate your opinion and value your experience. To those of you who took the time to critize, CARRY ON  and good luck !!!






 


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