Possible Pet Store Sale of Animals Ban - Page 3

The sad part is Hunt Corp. does get all it's puppies from USDA licensed breeders. I don't know about other companies, privately owned or otherwise... I am pretty sure though in most states you must have a USDA license to sell commercially to the brokers or pet stores, legally. I could be wrong there, so please don't quote me...

Of couse I don't want uninvited "guests" in my home or kennels, but I have nothing to hide, so I'm not too worried about that. Except of course it would be quite inconvenient I'm sure.

Unfortunately I cannot think of any other way to end the millers, except to stop the selling of puppies in pet stores. Since as we do all agree,  the current cruelty/abuse/neglect laws are not being enforced.

And if you were to chose to breed untiltled dogs without health screening, or create a new breed, yes that is your right. At least for now. As you pointed out, everyone else will be suffering (for lack of a better word) because the USDA is not doing their job in keeping on top of the millers. Do you know any respectable breeders who sell to brokers or pet stores?
I just don't see how banning the sale of puppies in pet stores will hurt responsible breeders or pet owners. I may be missing something, though I read and re read your posts.
I still think though, that there should be standards kept when breeding and most dog breeders here in the US chose not to hold very high ones. Many do. Most don't.

In many ways our rights as dog owners are already being taken away, little by little... Like what breeds we can own etc., So no I don't want the rights I have left to be pulled out from under me, but the government is going to do what they choose, whether I like it or not. And it is because of irresponsible breeders and owners.

From the article:
Pet shops would only be permitted to offer animals from shelters for sale once West Hollywood's ordinance goes into effect in September. South Lake Tahoe adopted a similar ban last year.
Advocates for the pet industry said such ordinances are misguided because they do not tackle the source of the problem -- irresponsible commercial breeders who keep animals in deplorable conditions.
"It's not going after the substandard breeders," said Michael Maddox, vice president of governmental affairs for the Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council in Washington, D.C. "A pet store doesn't get you very far. We support people's right to get their pet from the best source that suits them."

Point well taken, I see what you mean... I have always respected your points of view and  it's nice to be able to have an intelligent conversation with different opinions,  without it turning into a big debate on here ... I can see where PETA would be behind just about anything that involved animals. Thanks for posting! Gives me a bit to ponder tonight ;-)

Stacy

there are laws but, in order to be enforced, they must have the necessary manpower. manpower has to be funded. funding is rarely minimally adequate and, in this economy, in (probably) most areas, there just isn't the money to fund anything to do with animal control/care. just because something SHOULD be done, doesn't mean it CAN be done. I'd rather see shelter/rescue dogs in pet stores than (obviously) puppy mill pups, but, how can you force that?

Stacey:  It is not about you have nothing to hide...it is about   BIG brother will make up something to fine you for, get more money out of you ,because they have to pay for all the workers enforcing the Ban , whether it be to re issue your permit, or to do the monthly check...They will make it worth their while...The fees charged to be a breeder and only let you have maybe 3 females and 1 male and you have to keep records out your desk drawer..Ask any Doctor who takes Medicaid or Medicare?

You do not want BIG BROTHER involved in your home , or coming to check you.  I have friends back home , small family whose husband died..His widow was an excellent cook and daughter baked pies to die for...SO they owned an old Service Station building, no longer open as hubby died...She decided to re build it and open   a small diner with lunch and supper and home cooked meals and pies  by order or eat on premises...The city of LaMarque ran her up one pole and down the other for 9 mos before she got opened and every three months  they made up new changes, new rules, new dislikes by the Health inspector and it never ended...

Three years after fighting for her very being and paying new fees, new this and community support to keep her open,,she gave up and closed it...

I was there,,,I owned a business who they never came on my premises ever...So they target who they can and nothing is fair when the Government gets foot in the door...
GSDtravels is correct.  I want my rights left alone....No banning is gonna stop under handed people raising puppies and selling them at Canton and flea markets and in parking lots...Cities are not enforcing the rules and laws on the books now. They can't keep men and women long enough to even learn where , and how to do what needs to be enforced...
Many problems with Animal Control departments all over the usa show me ,,they can't handle what they have now.

Big Brother go away.   Ban the selling of pets in stores because of no control of inspections ..Do not give out permits to large corporations to sell any animal.  Pets and animals can be found elsewhere and the city keep out of it..unless there is a report of abuse or filth or unethical business practices by the Private factor...When people in Pet stores cannot even tell you anything about the breed they sell, and hand you a book to buy , to find out , it is time to shut them down...
Kennels pay fees now and get their permits in order..But they want to make every home and every family pay thru the nose to own a dog or cat? A whole lot of our best trainers and breeders only have two dogs and their home is their dogs home and they sell them to people who are screened..
THe animal control can't tell good breeders from bad breeders so do not fall for the ban myth..!

YR.

Next the government will tell all Grandmas they can't make quilts and sell them out of their homes, or sell pies to the neighborhood to pay her light bill...They will tell men they can't cut down trees and widdle a nice table and sell to pay for  his hunting trip he wants to go on...Ban this and ban that in the private sector takes away MOM and POP  earning the extra money to be proud they can...No more garden vegetables from Uncle Joe, no more honey from  Sugar sue ,the lady who has beehives for years and sells honey to all the church people once a month...

NO more home made anything to help each one along to pay the taxes on the piece of property you own and just keep paying for till you die..Every man should be able to plant and reap the harvest for a fair price to pay their own keep...Banning ends that  , eventually....a little at a time.

Many, many dogs are bred by just ordinary good , smart , homes in our country like in Germany...The whole community in Germany meet at the club, where most of them house their dogs..Not every one has places for their dogs in their neighborhoods..The club has kennels and you go and do your work , feed, clean and raise the pups ...Clubs are like one big German Family...They have rules and they have laws, but no one but the Breed warden has control over the people who raise dogs. to the extent of banning and assessing fees up to their hinny... Maybe someone reading from Germany could share how they do it there?

Maybe Steve 1 could share what rules and laws there are in Belgium concerning the owning of dogs and breeding ..and selling the pups..

akgeorgiasmom said it best...You cannot ban away stupid or stupidy dog breeding...Some of the richest people of FAME< like   VICK...pay fines, breed or fight or go right back to the hidden behind the high brick wall and keep on producing...
 

BUT the small breeder and the home of loving gsd who has titled or breed worthy , have to pay thru the pocket book more than they can possibly afford and never able to recover and cannot handle all the red tape and unfairness that happens..Yes , many a kennel goes thru visits and inspections and never has had any problems but that was then and this is NOW>.Ban will bring different inspections ,different sets of fees and different kinds of cost for the kennel or breeder , and owner..

YR

GSDtravels,

As best as I can tell Keith reasons at about the level of a six year old, so unless you are just working on your typing skills, you may want to abandon that discussion.  Maybe we should ban the selling of chicken in grocery stores.

What ever happened to DR?

RFS

RainForestscouts:

 I buy my eggs from people locally who have YARD EGGS>>>and my goats milk comes from a man here in Jacksonville who raises goats...and sells them at the end of my street  out here in the country...Right now  no permit needed for that...but if banning starts in any county or city,,,,they will start in on yard eggs, goats, and anything on our little farms we sell for extra money and actually provide better eggs , chicken and goat milk then in a can that has been pastureized.

I get your drift, though..

YR

Even more for me to think about.. Thanks YR, and Thanks again GSDTravels for putting it in a bigger picture...

I always thought that it was illegal to sell any food item anywhere in the USA without a permit... Is this not true? Somewhat off topic, but since it was brought up, I'm just curious now...

So back to the topic... if banning stores from selling puppies is not going to help put the millers out of business, and the USDA lets all these people with licences slide through (and they pay fees for these permits every year, right? Where does all that money go? ... And  what's the way to STOP those disgusting businesses from thriving? There are still many places where puppies are allowed to be sold in stores.

I suppose I may have had a change of heart since the beginning of this thread. But I wil stick to my original opinion that there are just way too many breeders that don't care what they are producing, as long as they are making a profit.
And I don't see anything wrong, really with making a profit from breeding, but when the breeders are pumping out a litter for all 50 of their bitches every 6 months you know that those dogs are not living even a decent life, nevermind a good one!

Stacy

Every saturday morning at the end of three of our biggest FM roads.,  people come sit in their cars with tables and sell veggies,  roosters, bannies, goats,     fruit,  eggs ,watermellons they bring in on  trailers from Hempstead...NO permits needed nor any kind of fees,,,, Country people helping country people..

The yards that have eggs have big sign out front   YARD EGGS,,, the goat man has a sign   GOATS FOR SALE>>>MILK ON MONDAYS FOR SALE>>>>

When the berries are in season , a lot of women make Jelly and preserves here and they sell them at end of the FM roads near  69 N or bigger hwys...no permits no fees...

We have a big man from Jacksonville who has a big truck and he has sold produce for 5 yrs at the edge of Tyler on Hwy 69 out of his truck..He had to move three times because of road and culvert changes...He is still there  every week end and Mon. Weds and Fri... Some day he may be subject to a permit but not so far..he is out of city limits and the county told me  that any one can put a whore house on my road and nothing I can do about it...So who knows...but they will sure ban our dogs if we let them..

I am suspicious that .it is Peta that is behind all this road to destruction of american people owning their own pets or dogs..

YR