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by Keith Grossman on 23 December 2009 - 13:12
"if somebody told you to jump from a bridge ,would you ?"
Uh, well...
Uh, well...
by DebiSue on 23 December 2009 - 13:12
Hahahahahaha! Keith you are too funny!
by Silbersee on 23 December 2009 - 14:12
Kategills,
you mention that you do not rush into messages before "composing yourself". Well, apparantly you did this time! Not once have I said that I think that tattoos are out or not fashionable or pathetic (as you called me). I said that tattoos are out because the SV is now chipping litters at the same time as blood samples are taken (which means that going to the vet for DNA samples in Germany is out too), plus my comment was directed at Debi's question regarding trialing. So, my guess is that you are completely out of touch with that at all. It seems that you are an English chap (or the female version of it) using crude language. And no, I won't jump down the bridge but I do abide by my organization's requirements (in this case SV). You got so emotional that you reverted to nastiness. Again, don't shoot the messenger! Plus, I did post that we too continue to tattoo our puppies, especially since there is no safeguard in place of DNA samples, like they do in Germany. I believe that all other participants here are from the U.S. and Debis had asked a question about trialing and idientification for that. One thing I agree with you on: I wish I had never posted because I should know better. Here on this board, somebody always jumps in to get nasty and to verbally attack others, this time you!!! This is my last post directed at you! Have a good day!
Debi,
I checked the breeding regulations which are published on the UScA website. It is a translated version of the (now out of date) SV regulations and it was modified to suit U.S. needs. It clearly states under paragraph 3.2.2. (Duties of Tattooers) that puppies can be tattooed between the 50th day and the end of the 12th week. Afterwards, it needs to be done under anesthesia (not just sedation or icepacks). My husband has refused numerous requests from people because of that stipulation. So, in order to tattoo your 15 month old, you need to make an appointment with a vet. An idea would be to get it done at the same time you are scheduled for hip and elbow x-rays. It used to be that UScA had a tattoo kit to loan out. So, you could call them and ask if they still have that service available. Where do you live? If in our area, we could help you out too. Meanwhile, if you check the UScA website (under Shop USA), you will find an offer for a scanner which is pretty reasonable. All regulations (SV, UScA, WDA) also state that the owners and handlers of microchipped dogs are responsible for providing that scanner. While more and more clubs have such a reader, you can't expect that, unfortunately. I bought mine earlier this year in Germany for 199 Euros but I now realize I could have found it here for the same price, oh well!
Michael,
unfortunately, I have no knowledge or experience whatsoever in abdominal tattoos. The only person I used to know who did that has been dead for quiete a few years now. I remember him telling me that it is a needle much like they use for "human" tattoos. And I personally would opt for anesthesia as well because it is a chore to hold a dog down like that. Plus, it does not convey a good imprint to a growing puppy/young adult.
Chris
you mention that you do not rush into messages before "composing yourself". Well, apparantly you did this time! Not once have I said that I think that tattoos are out or not fashionable or pathetic (as you called me). I said that tattoos are out because the SV is now chipping litters at the same time as blood samples are taken (which means that going to the vet for DNA samples in Germany is out too), plus my comment was directed at Debi's question regarding trialing. So, my guess is that you are completely out of touch with that at all. It seems that you are an English chap (or the female version of it) using crude language. And no, I won't jump down the bridge but I do abide by my organization's requirements (in this case SV). You got so emotional that you reverted to nastiness. Again, don't shoot the messenger! Plus, I did post that we too continue to tattoo our puppies, especially since there is no safeguard in place of DNA samples, like they do in Germany. I believe that all other participants here are from the U.S. and Debis had asked a question about trialing and idientification for that. One thing I agree with you on: I wish I had never posted because I should know better. Here on this board, somebody always jumps in to get nasty and to verbally attack others, this time you!!! This is my last post directed at you! Have a good day!
Debi,
I checked the breeding regulations which are published on the UScA website. It is a translated version of the (now out of date) SV regulations and it was modified to suit U.S. needs. It clearly states under paragraph 3.2.2. (Duties of Tattooers) that puppies can be tattooed between the 50th day and the end of the 12th week. Afterwards, it needs to be done under anesthesia (not just sedation or icepacks). My husband has refused numerous requests from people because of that stipulation. So, in order to tattoo your 15 month old, you need to make an appointment with a vet. An idea would be to get it done at the same time you are scheduled for hip and elbow x-rays. It used to be that UScA had a tattoo kit to loan out. So, you could call them and ask if they still have that service available. Where do you live? If in our area, we could help you out too. Meanwhile, if you check the UScA website (under Shop USA), you will find an offer for a scanner which is pretty reasonable. All regulations (SV, UScA, WDA) also state that the owners and handlers of microchipped dogs are responsible for providing that scanner. While more and more clubs have such a reader, you can't expect that, unfortunately. I bought mine earlier this year in Germany for 199 Euros but I now realize I could have found it here for the same price, oh well!
Michael,
unfortunately, I have no knowledge or experience whatsoever in abdominal tattoos. The only person I used to know who did that has been dead for quiete a few years now. I remember him telling me that it is a needle much like they use for "human" tattoos. And I personally would opt for anesthesia as well because it is a chore to hold a dog down like that. Plus, it does not convey a good imprint to a growing puppy/young adult.
Chris
by michael49 on 23 December 2009 - 15:12
Katesquill kennels, I never meant to discourage you from posting, actually I would encourage it.Everyone has something to contribute that others will benefit from.I to agree with you about tattoos, thats why I was asking. For me the microchip info was also welcome,I wasn't aware one could do this themselves.Please feel free to contribute about any questions that I have.We all have our moments on here, so you're not the first and you won't be the last, this was rather mild compared to some. Michael
Thanks to everyone.
Thanks to everyone.
by Silbersee on 23 December 2009 - 15:12
Keith,
looking at your avatar, that is funny!
Margaret,
I agree with your statement: The more ID the better!
Therefore, I think that the ultimate is a "three-way-system"!
1) Tattoo (ear or abdominal)
2) Microchip
3) DNA
Tattoos:
They can become illegible real quick. Most of our dogs get pigment spots or have dark skin.
Microchips:
They can move around or disappear completely, like Elkoor mentioned - even though it is rare.
DNA samples:
I would urge anybody to order an AKC DNA kit, even if you do not intend to breed with your dog. Who knows? It might one day be a saving grace if you ever have to prove ownership as well.
Chris
looking at your avatar, that is funny!
Margaret,
I agree with your statement: The more ID the better!
Therefore, I think that the ultimate is a "three-way-system"!
1) Tattoo (ear or abdominal)
2) Microchip
3) DNA
Tattoos:
They can become illegible real quick. Most of our dogs get pigment spots or have dark skin.
Microchips:
They can move around or disappear completely, like Elkoor mentioned - even though it is rare.
DNA samples:
I would urge anybody to order an AKC DNA kit, even if you do not intend to breed with your dog. Who knows? It might one day be a saving grace if you ever have to prove ownership as well.
Chris
by IanZane on 27 December 2009 - 00:12
I would also like to know were you would get a tattoo # for a litter I have a female that is due to whelp in Jan 28 and would like to tattoo her litter have never done so before I see you can get kit from Leerburg but were do you get # for litter from and also does dam have to be tattooed my female is not, and help would be greatly apreciated
Kind Regards and may everyone have Happy Holidays
Kind Regards and may everyone have Happy Holidays
by IanZane on 27 December 2009 - 00:12
I would also like to know were you would get a tattoo # for a litter I have a female that is due to whelp in Jan 28 and would like to tattoo her litter have never done so before I see you can get kit from Leerburg but were do you get # for litter from and also does dam have to be tattooed my female is not, and help would be greatly apreciated
Kind Regards and may everyone have Happy Holidays
Kind Regards and may everyone have Happy Holidays
by DebiSue on 27 December 2009 - 03:12
Thanks for the input Chris. I live just outside Wichita, Kansas. Our club has the tatoo equipment so I can use it anytime. Thanks for the offer. I hate to put my girl under for anything short of surgery but I don't want her tattooed without it either. One vet wanted to put her under to insert the micro-chip and I thought that was a little extreme and said so. He took her to the back room and I heard her yelp but she was over it by the time he brought her back up front. I think since there are several dogs in our club that have been chipped vs tattooed that I will see if we can get the club to purchase a reader. If not then I will have the tattoo done when she is out for her x-rays. Thanks for that suggestion as well. As for the DNA test kit...I hadn't even considered it. Something new to chew on.
Happy Holidays everyone!
Deb
Happy Holidays everyone!
Deb
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