Dogs Dying from Microchip - Page 2

I agree with Jenni78, Mickey D and others..

I think that the small risk (VERY small) is definitely worth the chance of getting your dog back, safe, preventing dog theft and ID fraud (helping, anyway) and so many other benefits, I'm sure.

Jenni, I told you about Quai, and Noire (Quai x Rona). Noire's life was saved by a microchip. I had rehomed her, and the people lost her without telling me. I just happened to inquire and found out the truth. She got out through a hole in the fence htey had promised to fix, and didn't. By the time I found out about her going missing, a lot of time had already passed. She was about 150 miles away, and I had to go to work in a few hours.. No way I could go and cover six impounds / shelters in the available time.

I got the email addy's of the six shelters and gave them the microchip number/s. There were actually TWO dogs.. One had gotten out the day before. Well.. I found both dogs. One was already PTS. She ran out of time. Noire was luckier. They matched her microchip number and held her for me. They had misidentified her as a "black chow mix". Uh.. try black GSD. But, if I had not had her microchipped, she would have been PTS the next day.

So, those people didn't find out what happened, and they didn't get her back. Noire went to another friend of mine, and is today buried in their yard, under the branches of a peach tree. This was all about ten years ago. She would not have had a chance if not for that microchip.. and, I didn't  have to go searching through all the kennels, spread all over a huge county, 150 miles away. I would not have found her. She would have been gone by then.

About vaccines. Nothing's perfect. But, I am of an age where I remember a kid wearing polio braces, taking the first Salk vaccine and Smallpox vaccine, the measles and mumps were considered normal childhood diseases (but they might quarantine your house), and things unseen / unheard of, today. I also remember that canine and feline distemper were VERY common, and how devastating this disease was. My mother remembers seeing their family GSD, shot because it was rabid.

A friend of mine is on this kick about vaccines, autism and so on. It's such bullshit, frankly. There are two recent cases of measles in Los Angeles County, and both in home schooled children. I told my friend that the kids that don't have vaccines and are healthy, are heatthy because other parents vaccinate (reducing the chance of contagion). She's got her mind made up and you can't talk to her.. Vaccines, in her mind, are bad, devices of the evil pharmaceutical industry conspiracty.

The entire validity of the argument that vaccines cause autism has been completely debunked now. The man who started the entire thing, in the UK, has been sanctioned for falsifying his study on TWELVE kids.... Thimerosol has also been exonerated as the evil thing so many wanted to make it.

Let's face it. People want to blame something, someone for whatever negatives happen in their life. To hell with trying to understand real causation......and in that attitude is contained a very real threat to finding REAL causes and reasons for things that happen. Just think, for example, of all the millions of dollars that have been expended trying to pin autism on vaccines. Just think where that money might have been otherwise spent to better understand autism......

"do you think it's sheer coincidence that the vaccine crowd injects this very spot repeatedly throughout a dog's life? "

No I don't.  You brought up an excellent point Jenni.  

FWIW, I am not at all anti-vaccine.  I am glad, however, that vets are now agreeing that dogs and cats do not need annual vaccines.  Every 3 years is sufficient, as per Cornell University.

Micky

That's interesting, Hodie.. I did not know about the man in the UK. There are a lot of charlatains out there, preying on naive people. These things usually resolve to scams.

My brother was profoundly autistic. My mother tried to keep him a part of the family, but finally had to have him committed to a state mental hospital. I'm sure it was one of the hardest decisions she's ever had to make, but it was necessary. He was the eldest of three children, and was VERY big, strong and violent. He turned on my mother AND my sister, but never hurt me.

I know that he had a fever when he was a little baby guy, and that might have had something to do with it. None of us was vaccinated until we were well past school entry age, and he was already diagnosed long before. He had other tell tale physical traits which I have seen in another autism sufferer, before, and my sister (who is a nurse) believes that he may have also had Marfan's Syndrome. So, he had a real burden to carry in life, that guy. He died a few years ago, and I also learned that he was showing signs of early onset Parkinson's.

I see the same thing with puppy buyers.. If a puppy has a problem, it must be because the breeder did something wrong and didn't care about hurting the puppy and the owners. "Evil, greedy breeders", right? Wrong!!! A few hours spent in the waiting room of a vet's office will reveal a steady stream of mix breed dogs. Wassup with that?

 Sometimes, stuff just happens, and it's no one's fault. Life is full of risks, and people used to understand that and take their lumps, gracefully. I don't know what is wrong with people, these days. Life, for them, is a product with a warranty. If they are not made happy and successful, it might be someone's fault. Blame someone, sue someone, and above all, never take the blame for anything stupid you have done.

 DDR,

I agree with you 100%.

Right.. Over vaccinating is not necessary, and may cause autoimmune problems. Dr. Jean Dodds, DVM of Haemopet campaigned for this for a long, long time. Good lady, Dr Dodds.

 DDR,

Here is a link explaining my comments about the retraction of the research done by the UK doctor.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/03/health/research/03lancet.html

The spot between the shoulderblades is usually used for subcutaneous injections.

Intramuscular injections are generally given in the lumbar region or upper hip.. VERY close to the hip joint capsule. Which could cause inflammatory processes in the hip joint capsule, which could cause minor changes to the hip joint, itself. I have noticed that most HD is unilateral, and most on the same side. People (vets and techs) also tend to be right handed. Is there a connection?

Whenever I do an IM injection of any kind, I like to go for the thick of the muscle on the upper side of the upper arm. It's easy to reach, a good safe spot to manage the dog from, and there are no major blood vessels there (that I know about, anyway). I would highly recommend to anyone that they do NOT allow a vet or vet tech to give IM injections in the lumbar region or upper hip. Interestingly, spinal troubles the number one crippler of dogs (from arthritis and inflammation).

Thanks, Hodie! I need to save a copy of that.
One of the really alarming scams of the last thirty years or so was the so-called "false memory syndrome". It was also debunked, finally.. but hurt a lot of people badly, before it was.
During this time, there was a well-known ex-director of a national security agency (USA) who was allegedly acting as an expert witness, telling prosecutors and investigators (law enforcement) that there were conspiracies involving Satan-worshippers (who were stealing human infants for sacrifice and molestation), outer space aliens (who had built cities under our desert areas), and administrators at the highest levels of government.. all colluding together and operating a shadow government. Some of these prosecutors took this very seriously and mounted prosecutions against private citizens (day care workers) which were vast in scope, and cost many millions of dollars in cost and finally, settlements to the real victims.. the defendants (whose lives and careers were ruined).
The prosecutors even went so far as to completely raze and dig up the school grounds, because they believed the stories of preschoolers (who were prompted and prepped) that there was a huge underground system of labyrinths and tunnels, where animals were taken for sacrifice in Satanic rituals.. EVEN A GIRAFFE!!!!
Folks.. If any of you can dig a tunnel and drag a live giraffe down into it for sacrifice, I think this is something no one has ever done.. Because it would be impossible!
That didn't stop some nitwit prosecutor from believing it!
Now, they're listening to the likes of H$U$, about all sorts of things.. including "evil, greedy" dog breeders! And, out of this zeal and hysteria has come similarly tragic legal adventures.. <shaking head, sadly>.
The depth of folly has no limit, it seems..

Hi,

what a co-incident ! Yesterday I got a call from a friend who runs a "bar" in the woods. (Dont know what to call it in english, it's a woodcabin, where peopel can eat & rest when taking hikes) He told me that 2 hikers were all of a sudden acompanied by 2 very nice looking and very friendly Lab's. No tags on their collar. My friend put them into his kennel behind the cabin. Since we as breeders here have to chipp our pups, I bought a chip reader a year ago. So I went up there, and yup, both Lab's did have a Chip. I then called a couple of Vet's in the area, and Bingo, we had a lead, and were able to locate the owners. They came by and picked up their dogs, you can surely imagine how happy they were. The dogs actually were about 25 - 30 kilometers ( roughly 15 miles) away from home !!
Anyhow, yes it does concern me that there might be a link between a chip and cancer - but my understanding is that there is not a scientific proof to it. So for me, I will take that chance, but have in return the peace of mind that my chance of getting my dog back increases by multiple times by having that chip.
Thanks for all that good info.
Ulli