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by Get A Real Dog on 24 March 2010 - 06:03

I believe Mike Ellis would openly admit he learned alot of stuff from Bart Bellon.

by cage on 24 March 2010 - 08:03

I found one nice video of BB to watch.Enjoy! www.policek9magazinevideos.com/play.php

by poseidon on 24 March 2010 - 11:03

Bart Bellon is a genius in stimulus control using the eCollar.

by Phil Behun on 24 March 2010 - 14:03

Michael Ellis should admit that he learned a lot from Ivan.

by Jon luc on 24 March 2010 - 15:03

Ivan and Mike started at about the same time. Ivan left
Ring sport simply because there aren't as many clubs
around. And you could put a Sch3 on a dog in
the same time it would take to put a ring l. It
was much more beneficial to go with the status
qua. I think that by staying in ring sport longer Mike took
the advantage. Ivan is without a doubt one of the best.
But Mike is his own man. Bart may have a lot to do
with that, as well as Mike is a natural like Ivan. I think
Ivan has been around dogs all his life, and can since
things that are missed by most trainers.

by CrysBuck25 on 24 March 2010 - 16:03

I just have one question...

You mentioned Mike is a genius with the e-collar...

Is it totally impossible to train a dog in Schutzhund or IPO, or NVBK...Without using an e-collar?

I'm just wondering...I see the very best in the world seem to all believe in using the e-collar, but what did they do before the invention? Just get along with mediocrity, or did the training evolve around the new technology, and not exist before it? This has me curious, because I've seen a lot of people say that it's very possible to train without the e-collar.

Crys

by Jon luc on 24 March 2010 - 16:03

CB25, I think it was said about Bart. And yes it is totally possible.
But if you ever want to compete at a national level you
should look into it. It's not the devil, if that's what you have heard.

by zdog on 24 March 2010 - 18:03

sure you can train without a collar. But it isn't a toy and it isn't the devil either. In dog training, consistency and timing are everything. A collar can make your intentions quick, clear and from any distance and speed up training and minimize mistakes. Considering you understand behavior and the modification of it. an idiot can use a collar, but it takes a bit more to really be able to train with it.

by Jon luc on 24 March 2010 - 18:03

Zdog is right that it require some training as well. I am old
enough to remember some training done without the E-Collar
and it was hard on the dogs. I think because it took much longer
to train them. And some of the training was much more harsh
than an e- collar. The one thing that will never be substituted is the
Love you have for your dog. The two of you are a team.

by Lief on 24 March 2010 - 18:03

the ecollar is going to amplify your abilities and skills and give you an impersonal way to communicate with the dogs at a distance not to mention consistenty and pinpoint timing, its not upsetting to dogs as long as its not unexpected or uncontrollable in that video he is talking about replacing the popping of the leash with the nick so there is already expectation on the part of the dog that something is going to happen if it looks away, Problems happen if people are lacking in skill sort of like if you don't know how to play a guitar playing an electric guitar will make the lack of skill painfully obvious or If you don't know how to build a house power tools won't help!

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