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by Elkoorr on 20 March 2010 - 19:03
Allergies can be caused by so many things, I would not put a genetic verdict on the OPs dog in question. I got my dog at 4months of age and he was full of worms. I think this caused his imunesystem to go into "overdrive" causing allergic reactions.
If the owners can provide detailed and consistant Vet records from the day the pup came home, I would offer to take the dog back, and get them a different pup. Or if they want to keep the dog, refund half the puppy price, and have them sign a release of further responsibility from you. If they cant provide consistant Vet records, then I would tell them off.
by Luvmidog on 20 March 2010 - 20:03
Anyone buying a pup is held to look at the parents , ask the vet of the breeder, about the parents BEFORE you buy and see if the parents were brought in numerous times with ALLERGIES>>>Vets have to tell the truth.
Buy with open mind.Your place may be full of things a healthy pup can get into and you too. DO YOU SNEEZE and have a runny nose and cough sometimes. They may be using chemicals that have depleted his immune..Yes, horse barns , cats , and birds in a home setting can display things a dog will be alergic too, and man also.
They may be feeding garbage grainy dog food , also.
opinionated
by Rik on 20 March 2010 - 21:03
I also believe allergies as with most conditions are genetic, On the other hand, I have a friend with a dog that in 4 years never exhibited any allergies while living in the Pacific North West. Since coming to the south east U.S., the dog has not stopped scratching. He has tried most foods available, makes sure the dog is flea free, multiple trips to the vet and nothing has improved her condition.
It's up to you as to how you respond, but as far as liability, I think it would be difficult to hold you responsible.
It has been a lot of years since I have bred a litter, my policy was if the dog doesn't work for the buyer, they got a full refund of purchase price on return, no questions asked. No way would I have paid vet bills, shipping, or anything past purchase .
To paraphrase Moons, they bought a living animal, not a machine.
Best,
Rik
by hodie on 20 March 2010 - 21:03
What you write about the dog moving from one place to the other, and having no allergies until the move took place, is exactly what often happens in humans as well. Living in CA years ago, I never exhibited allergy symptoms. I moved to Colorado to attend graduate school and bang.....sometimes I thought I should buy stock in Kleenex. The types of allergens I was bothered by (certain tree pollens, grass and weeds as well as insect parts) did not live in CA.
Again, it depends a lot on how one writes the sales contract. IF one is not careful about how the guarantee is worded there can be difficulties should a client decide to press the issue.
by hexe on 20 March 2010 - 21:03
The only reason I would expect a breeder to refund anything on a warranty because of allergies would be if the buyer discovered they'd been lied to when they asked the breeder whether the sire and/or dam had any allergies or sensitivities to anything, food or otherwise...then the buyer probably should be looking into filing a fraud charge against the breeder and heading into small claims court to seek restitution. If the breeder in this case can demonstrate that neither parent has ever been treated for an allergy or sensitivity to anything, then I'd say they don't owe the buyer of this 18 month old dog anything--with one caveat: if the breeder sold these pups for an obscene amount of money, then I do think the buyer would have a reasonable expectation that they were getting an animal that came from generations that were free of any heritable condition.
As I've said before, I don't have much interest in getting a warranty from a breeder--as long as I can do my homework and get proof that the parents have had all of the pertinant health certifications and evaluations and they aren't affected by any other conditions that there aren't any certifications available for, then I accept that I'm buying a living creature, not a car. I also won't pay a ridiculous amount for said living creature--never understood the idea of paying several thousands for a creature that could pass away from some unforeseen, unpreventable ailment the day after I've brought it into my life. I do want the breeder to fully control what they can control but I also recognize the limitations of that.
Luvmidog wrote:
"Anyone buying a pup is held to look at the parents , ask the vet of the breeder, about the parents BEFORE you buy and see if the parents were brought in numerous times with ALLERGIES>>>Vets have to tell the truth."
A vet can no more divulge information about their client's animals than a doctor can divulge info about his patients--unless there's been a warrant issued to compel the vet to release the records to law enforcement, the health records aren't going to be available. The prospective buyer could ask the breeder to obtain copies of the health records for the parents from their vet, and then provide those copies to buyers, however, and personally I think that's something all breeders *should* do for their puppy buyers.
One of the *many* reasons I choose to feed a commercial dry dog food that's readily available at just about any retail establishment in the US is specifically related to the issue of food allergies--and I believe it is reasonable to argue that owners who religously feed nothing but 'special' foods and treats--grain-free, restricted protein sources, gluten-free, artificial coloring/flavoring free, raw-only, etc.--are actually contributing to the increase in the incidence of allergies in various pure breeds, and mixes of the more common/popular (read: more often mass produced) breeds are now showing up in vet clinics more often with assorted allergies as well for the same reasons. (Another reason I choose to feed what I do is the fact that I *can* get it anywhere in the country, should I suddenly have to move out because of a natural disaster, etc.--I'd hate to have to evacuate because of a flood if I had dogs that to be on a special, non-prescription diet!)
I'm all for feeding a dog the very best quality food an owner can afford, and I'm also big on feeding dogs nearly anything I'd eat myself, so long as it's not known to be toxic to them, because I prefer a dog that can be exposed to just about anything and not have an adverse response to it.
The 'treatment' of breeding stock for hypothyroidism is also perpetuating the condition within breeds; while the condition certainly needs to be
by hexe on 20 March 2010 - 21:03
It has been a lot of years since I have bred a litter, my policy was if the dog doesn't work for the buyer, they got a full refund of purchase price on return, no questions asked. No way would I have paid vet bills, shipping, or anything past purchase .
W-a-y back when I was just starting to work with dogs, one of the many valuable tenets my mentor taught me was this:
"Never sell a dog or puppy for more than you can afford to refund at a moment's notice. You never know when you'll need to 'ransom' one you've bred or raised to get it out of a bad situation, and even the biggest a**hole will usually agree to hand over the dog if you offer them a full refund."
As with most things she taught me, she was right, too. It even works when you're trying to bail a dog out of a bad situation that you'd *didn't* breed or raise...
by Mystere on 21 March 2010 - 00:03
by Two Moons on 21 March 2010 - 01:03
How about it,
was there knowledge?
by Luvmidog on 21 March 2010 - 22:03
That is enough to know buy or do not buy!
by ShelleyR on 21 March 2010 - 22:03
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