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by SchaeferhundSchH on 10 October 2011 - 23:10
Thank you Ibrahim
Thank you Blitzen! If you end up at NASS let me know I would love to finally meet you in person!
by Xeph on 11 October 2011 - 22:10
I'm Jackie.
I own American show lines,/show line crosses and soon, a new working line puppy
Mirada, who has her RN, is herding instinct tested, working towards her CD/CDX, and hopefully agility and herding titles in the future
Strauss, my 7 year old Show/Working cross male. He has his CD, RN, CGC, is herding instinct tested, and is an active service dog
I own American show lines,/show line crosses and soon, a new working line puppy
Mirada, who has her RN, is herding instinct tested, working towards her CD/CDX, and hopefully agility and herding titles in the future
Strauss, my 7 year old Show/Working cross male. He has his CD, RN, CGC, is herding instinct tested, and is an active service dog
by sidhimelkel on 12 October 2011 - 01:10
Jackie - Miranda is gorgeous! Best of luck with her.
by Xeph on 12 October 2011 - 02:10
Mirada, no N :D (happens a lot), but thanks ^_^ She is a delightful, plucky little thing! She's called Mogwai more than Mirada :)
While she's certainly not high drive compared to working lines, she is extremely quick to learn, most DEFINITELY has drive, and is highly biddable. I honestly think a LOT more American show lines would display the traits that she does if they were worked with more.
While she's certainly not high drive compared to working lines, she is extremely quick to learn, most DEFINITELY has drive, and is highly biddable. I honestly think a LOT more American show lines would display the traits that she does if they were worked with more.
by sidhimelkel on 12 October 2011 - 07:10
Mirada, terribly sorry. And I couldn't agree more.
by Keith Grossman on 12 October 2011 - 11:10
"I had always been one of the wl people that had nothing really nice to say about sl, I had never spent much time around any and just went with the stereo type."
This has been my experience with most of the people I've seen bashing showlines.
"I have discovered since we got Nala, that there is nothing wrong with the sl gsds. At my own risk I would say that after owning Nala I can't imagine not having one. I will probably always have a wl gsd, but in the future I can't say that the majority of my guys will be wl. The sl guys can do the work and so much nicer to have in the house, and that personality is so adorable!"
One of the hallmarks of the breed is stable temperament; not everyone agrees on the definition of stable.
This has been my experience with most of the people I've seen bashing showlines.
"I have discovered since we got Nala, that there is nothing wrong with the sl gsds. At my own risk I would say that after owning Nala I can't imagine not having one. I will probably always have a wl gsd, but in the future I can't say that the majority of my guys will be wl. The sl guys can do the work and so much nicer to have in the house, and that personality is so adorable!"
One of the hallmarks of the breed is stable temperament; not everyone agrees on the definition of stable.
by Xeph on 12 October 2011 - 14:10
not everyone agrees on the definition of stable.
Ain't that the truth!
I do think some dogs can be "more stable than others", if that makes sense? For example, Mirada is a bit nervy and, in the past, has been a bit reactive (on leash) in regards to things in motion. She is highly attuned to movement, sound sensitivity is 0 beyond the normal startle response if she didn't see where it came from.
Her recovery is excellent.
I have no fears about taking her out in public, taking her to dog shows, etc. She can interact with the public safely and willingly. She lacks courage and hardness. I have absolutely no problem admitting that. It is a problem within the American lines. But it doesn't take away from the fact that she is extremely safe to interact with.
Her temperament is incorrect in that she is a little too friendly as opposed to aloof. I'll take it. Overly friendly is better than nasty. While I wouldn't call her quite a Golden in a GSD suit, I can admit she pushes the envelope on that way. She'll walk up to people, sniff them, wag her tail, and see if they have food. If they have nothing, she returns to me, if they have something, she's gone :p No getting her back (this is all when meeting on leash, btw).
Strauss (the service dog) is absolutely 99.9% rock solid bomb proof. I trust him anywhere and everywhere (have to). He does not startle easily....can't even remember the last time I saw him startle really. He's had dogs in ex pens charge him at shows, and they get no acknowledgment. He has stronger nerves than I do! I'd definitely call him a stable dog. More stable than Mirada. But when it comes down to it, neither is unsafe, both can be interacted with and played with, they're both great dogs.
EVERY dog has a temperament flaw. Some are minor, some are not. Some are a bit too nervy, some are too sharp, some are too friendly.
I do want proper, strong, GSD temperament, but at the end of the day, what it comes down to for me is that my dogs can and DO interact safely with the public, and I don't have to worry about them reacting poorly outside of extremely weird circumstances (like...aliens trying to colonize the earth xD).
Ain't that the truth!
I do think some dogs can be "more stable than others", if that makes sense? For example, Mirada is a bit nervy and, in the past, has been a bit reactive (on leash) in regards to things in motion. She is highly attuned to movement, sound sensitivity is 0 beyond the normal startle response if she didn't see where it came from.
Her recovery is excellent.
I have no fears about taking her out in public, taking her to dog shows, etc. She can interact with the public safely and willingly. She lacks courage and hardness. I have absolutely no problem admitting that. It is a problem within the American lines. But it doesn't take away from the fact that she is extremely safe to interact with.
Her temperament is incorrect in that she is a little too friendly as opposed to aloof. I'll take it. Overly friendly is better than nasty. While I wouldn't call her quite a Golden in a GSD suit, I can admit she pushes the envelope on that way. She'll walk up to people, sniff them, wag her tail, and see if they have food. If they have nothing, she returns to me, if they have something, she's gone :p No getting her back (this is all when meeting on leash, btw).
Strauss (the service dog) is absolutely 99.9% rock solid bomb proof. I trust him anywhere and everywhere (have to). He does not startle easily....can't even remember the last time I saw him startle really. He's had dogs in ex pens charge him at shows, and they get no acknowledgment. He has stronger nerves than I do! I'd definitely call him a stable dog. More stable than Mirada. But when it comes down to it, neither is unsafe, both can be interacted with and played with, they're both great dogs.
EVERY dog has a temperament flaw. Some are minor, some are not. Some are a bit too nervy, some are too sharp, some are too friendly.
I do want proper, strong, GSD temperament, but at the end of the day, what it comes down to for me is that my dogs can and DO interact safely with the public, and I don't have to worry about them reacting poorly outside of extremely weird circumstances (like...aliens trying to colonize the earth xD).
by vonissk on 17 October 2011 - 14:10
Good Morning everybody. Wow what a neat thread!!! I have certainly enjoyed the beautiful dogs everyone has shared and the stories. OK as you know my name is Vonissk and I live in Southern Oklahoma. I currently have 3 dogs that I own, and a puppy I have been raising. I have been in the breed since 86 and up until the last 6 years dealt mostly with working dogs. I have done AKC OB, tracking, belonged to a ScH club and a PP club. Other than AKC OB I've never gotten titles in ScH but I loved the sport. When I got my boy, which will be 6 yrs ago in the spring, I got interested in conformation. I had heard that UKC put up a lot of working dogs so I started focusing on that. About 5 yrs ago I met my mentor, who had American lines and had shown a lot in the past and it was on!!! Honestly I had never cared much for the Am lines because I would always see these pics of over exaggerated stacks, etc., and of course I listened to all the BS about them. But she showed me her dogs and alet me put my hands o0n them and move them and then school began!!!! She is one of the most honest persons I have ever met and has taught me a lot about the different lines--especially the ones with working ability. I found out why her dogs looked Am but yet different--she had mixed some DDR in with them. Anyone of you guys can say DDR around me and I am AWAKE!!!! Seriously tho I have 3 dogs here I own and one puppy I am raising. My boy will be 7 in Dec., he is sable and pure working lines/DDR. I have his daughter, Sister, who will be 4 in Feb. She is also a sable. She is beautiful and highly intelligent, 1/2 American--I spayed her and she is a much loved pet. Then there is Miss Mauli, who is a black sable and 2 1/2. She is American, wl, and DDR. She lacks one win to have her U-CH--if it wasn't for the handler thing, which she hates, she could do anything. As most of you know, she recently got OFA Good and normal hips. She is bred to the standard, weighs 60#s right now. Then the puppy I am raising is Voodoo--she went for a service dog but that didn't work out--the guy only kept her 10 days and decided she was useless to him. Grrr. She is solid black and will be 9 months old Friday. She is Boba's grt grandaughter, Am., wl and DDR Very very intelligent and a definate self thinker. By the way she does have a new home and will be going there in the next couple of weeks. I hope next spring to breed my Mauli to a nioce Am CH and get a nice show--AKC-puppy.
One more comment I'd like to make. Between me and my mentor my main " job" is raising puppies. I imprint them for everything. The American pups are just as interested in rag work and tracking as any working puppy I have ever had. Xeph made a comment above about the Am dogs displaying certain traits if they were worked with more. Just wanted to say I definately agree.
BTW I'm not going to post any pics cause you guys have seen my dogs millions of times.
One more comment I'd like to make. Between me and my mentor my main " job" is raising puppies. I imprint them for everything. The American pups are just as interested in rag work and tracking as any working puppy I have ever had. Xeph made a comment above about the Am dogs displaying certain traits if they were worked with more. Just wanted to say I definately agree.
BTW I'm not going to post any pics cause you guys have seen my dogs millions of times.
by SchaeferhundSchH on 17 October 2011 - 14:10
vonissk please post pics of your dogs I would be happy to see them as I have never seen them before :)
by Xeph on 17 October 2011 - 20:10
I've not seen them either! Please share :D!
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