Line-breeding Question - Page 1

I've red some posts about Line-breeding and so. But still is not getting a clear picture.
My girl is not ready to be breed for at least one more year, etc..... Question is out of curiosity and education.

My question is really to those who knows/familiar with this lines. I just like to understand for particular Line-breeding what should I expect.
I know What I like in few dogs in that line and my dog. etc .., but for better understanding, if someone would comment.

Line-breeding - 5 generations

• 4 - 5............................................. in VA7 VA2(I) VA1(MEX) Marko della Valcuvia
• 4 - 5............................................. in V14 (IT) - 2003 Ghero di Casa Nobili
• 4 - 5............................................. in V1 Dea di Casa Nobili
• 3 - 4............................................. in VA5 (CHN) Tor Di Casa Nobili
• 4 - 5............................................. in Chipsy d'Altavilla
• 3 - 4............................................. in V linda dei toraja
• 2 - 3............................................. in V Geck Di Casa Nobili

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/breeding.result?father=671836&mother=1822660

Thanks

Looks more like inbreeding to me! I am not a big believer in that much linebreeding, but some people are. Goodluck

I guess I did not described well my question, or not many people familiar with this show lines.

Aware of the KENNELS of most of the dogs listed in those 5
generations - but not of those particular DOGS.  (except Marko,
but haven't heard, read or seen much on even him;  and now
he's in Mexico ?)

So if thats also the case with others, maybe there is not a lot
that you could usefully be told.

1020ma has a point, about esp.  Geck CasaNobili being so
close up.   A lot of folks won't go for that.

so it is so close!

I am not sure if this close line breeding on Geck is a good thing to do as I have no idea what bad genes he has that might be magnified when line breeding that close on him, maybe you ask the breedr Mr. Luigi Nobili, email : casanobili96@yahoo.it
However I know this much of common info about Geck himself; he is HD a-fast normal (a2), large masculine male  with huge head which he got from  Dax whom he is line bred on 3-3, he has nice rich dark pigment and nice character, his bite work is good, his reach is notable. More important he consistently passed type, anatomy, big head & big bones to his progeny. He also passed  rich pigment, dark eyes, good movement, nice character and intelligence.
 
Ibrahim

thanks guys for postings.

Ibrahim if I've undestand right....

consistently passed type, anatomy, big head & big bones to his progeny. He also passed rich pigment, dark eyes, good movement, nice character and intelligence.

basicaly if my girl has all of above listed, thats mean no advantage to do that close breeding to Geck?!

in this case I have other question...

what about if breeding 5-5 to the other type I like, then most of offsprings will get more anatomy from my female?

Well on breeding techniques probably I am one of the least informed here, maybe Hundmutter can share her views on this. Anyway here's my understanding: When you decide to breed you have to define your breeding goals then you have to decide what traits you want to maintain and or eliminate from your dogs then what other traits you want to add to your dogs that they themselves are lacking.

Sometimes breeders do not add or eliminate traits, they only maintain and reinforce same traits his or her dogs already have. To answer your question if I understood it right, the parent who has more dominant (well established) traits shall pass more of the same to the offspring. Hopefully that helps and hopefully Hundmutter returns to comment further and correct me where I wasn't totally on line.

Ibrahim

thanks,

Hundmutter, when you get a chance please

Ibrahim flatters my ability to communicate on such matters, but I'll
try !  LOL.  Am sure people who actually are 'breeders' can usefully
add to these comments ...

kpokodol, Ibrahim has given you some basics;  here's a few more:
if you pick a dog and a bitch to create new puppies with, the first
things you should be looking for are basic good health, screening
ok for hereditary diseases etc;  then you want to reassure yourself
that they are suitable for the activities you'd like their pups to be
capable of, so check for working or sports titles, Survey passes,
show gradings.
If you have all those things in place, it is more likely than not that
the two dogs are typical of the breed and of acceptable quality already to
be bred from;  [I'm not getting into more stringent interpretations of 'breed
worthiness' here, as that is a whole other ball game.]

Next you need to be sure that both dogs fit your own overall perception
of what they should both look and act like;  then look carefully to see
where one of them is perhaps a little less than you'd expect and whether
the other excels in that same issue.  Hopefully it will balance out insofar
as one parent might pass a better head or whatever to at least some of
the offspring - but if you don't like the head on either dog or bitch, it ain't
likely to improve if you go ahead on mating them !

Then we get to the hard bit:  ALL breeding depends on what genetic
characteristics the parents pass to their puppies.  For external physical
appearance,  and internal health,   AND  temperament, drives and other
less tangible matters that are about 'personality' rather than construction.
So if you have a dog who appears more than once in the most recent
generations behind your proposed mating, it is really worth trying to get
more information on him / her, before going ahead.
While the science behind genetics allows some prediction of the percentages
of puppies in any litter that conform to having particular qualities, that is often
a long way from what you actually GET.  The statistical odds even out over
time and numbers of pups from those parents - but hey not every litter gets
an even distribution of genes.   So that is why we always say :  "It is still a
crap shoot"  !!   Every litter you breed is a gamble to some extent  & all you
hope to do is shorten the odds.

The close linebreeding can only assist you if you are firm in your resolve
only to do this breeding IF the dog who is there in multiples DOES NOT
[as far as you can be certain] carry traits which you really would not like in
your proposed litter.  There are no guarantees that if he has something
especially good in him, your two dogs of choice will reproduce it.  And there
IS a chance that at least some pups will inherit any bad things he has
about him.