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by Jessejones on 25 September 2018 - 21:09

Joan-
That is true. Because of that, I would never breed her.
But I might just wager a bet that with some training, I could reduce or even take away that fear she has. I just haven’t done so because up here in the Pacific Northwest, we really don’t have a lot of flies so its not an issue.

Thunder is a much a much more tricky fear to work with. Probably not do-able with any amount of success. Dogs smell the sulfur and feel the drop of the barometer a long, long time ahead of a coming storm and way before we know its coming. Would be interesting to know if any one has cured or lowered the stress level of their dog with thunder training.

Even a strong-nerved dog can develope a fear later in life, and for no apparent reason.
Prager

by Prager on 25 September 2018 - 22:09

if you want to teach the dog to not fear thunder you have 2 ways to do it.

1/ positive where you associate the thunder with something dog  loves more than anything else. Like if the dog is crazy about a game of fetch, then go play fetch with the dog every time when thunder sounds in distance. Be safe and obey safety rules not to get hit by lightning and play indoors and make it super fun.

2/negative where you stress the dog more with another stimulus than the thunder. For example by high-stress level defensive protection scenario ( of course the dog must win)  or heeling over the high narrow bridge or see-through stairwell which your dog hates and so on. Then the original stress of thunder will become unimportant due to the more important new by you induced stress and such unimportance with repetition become more and more permanent. 

 

Some dogs are really far gone and these ways may not help or it may take a very long time to do so. 

 

  there are similar ways to teach the dog not to be gun shy. 


by joanro on 25 September 2018 - 23:09

I don't have any dogs with fear of thunder. But I have seen plenty of small breed dogs with the phobia.

by joanro on 25 September 2018 - 23:09

Pragre: Joan, I have said that dog with weak nerves does not recover. SAME THING AS YOU HAVE SAID. ....... Me: No, that is not what you said...but if you made a mistake saying what you did in the below quotes, it's good that you see I'm correct and you agree with me. ;-) ......... Pragre: As I have said the dog has weak nerves if it will not recover** promptly** after he startles.
.......... And on page 21 Pragre: It is no problem then train the dog by increments or other techniques ( like mutiple stress exposure), to get used to ever higher stress of specific type and then I( most importantly) of any stress at all = a stress of generic type ( stress per se/any type of stress) to the point that they are dogs which now do not have weak nerves so to speak anymore.

......... Me: Very different from what said about a dog with weak nerves do NOT recover, eg. fear of thunder or whip crack.
Prager

by Prager on 26 September 2018 - 00:09

Joan, I have said and always will say that dog has weak nerves if he does not recover fast.

Also you are taking my quote from page 21 out of context. I have said on page 21: "The ability to recover is what I am after. I do not care that much that the dog will get perturbed with even mild stress as long as he can recover and preferably recover fast. It is no problem then train the dog ( with ability to recover)  by increments or other techniques ( like mutiple stress exposure), and to get him used to ever higher stress of specific type and then  ( most importantly) of any stress at all = a stress of generic type ( stress per se/any type of stress) to the point that they are dogs which now do not have weak nerves so to speak anymore."

 So I will simplify it ad trivia for you. Yes, dog with weak nerves does not recovers and vice versa, dog who doesn't recover has weak nerves. 

 however, if the dog recovers from startle and does it quickly then he can be trained to deal with stress.

If he does not recover from startle then it is hard to train such dog to deal with generic stress ( not genetic )  but it could be trained to deal with the specific stress which bothered him. 

 I hope this helps. ;) 

 If not then whatever. 


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