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by Mithuna on 14 November 2015 - 14:11
Can you give a scenario example?
by vomeisenhaus on 14 November 2015 - 16:11
by joanro on 14 November 2015 - 17:11
'The best helper I know will use a whip with a 15mo old dog if needed Joanro. That's nonsense. '
The key words by you IF NEEDED. If NEEDED implies your 'best helper' does not use the whip when NOT NEEDED. So my comment about cookie cutter training using a whip with out consideration for INDIVIDUAL dogs is certainly NOT nonsense. Gustav was saying the same thing I did, essentially, about misuse of the whip. Like him, it makes me want tothrow up as well.
by vomeisenhaus on 14 November 2015 - 17:11
by susie on 15 November 2015 - 11:11
What Mithuna discribes is the well known circle, helper in the middle, several dogs around, so they are able to stimulate each other.
I never liked this for my dogs, every dog is different, there are different training levels, and there are different temperaments/drives.
Your girl seems to be totally confused right now - she never was a social dog, now she has to "play" in a pack ...
A stranger behaving weird ( helper / whip ) for her is a real threat, no way to get her into "play" mode.
Furthermore at home you trained with a tug, now there is a sleeve ( she doesn´t even know what to do / no trigger ).
Defense will always be stronger than preydrive in this scenario ( stranger, movement, whip ).
You need to change the training.
There are two possibilities:
Either supporting the preydrive and building up confidence to the helper ( no distractions, passive helper, tug on rope, no sleeve yet ) or
defense training ( no distractions,too, a good helper, no bites for a couple of weeks )
Your dog is a housedog and family companion, in this case I´d choose the first possibility.
Good luck!
by BlackMalinois on 15 November 2015 - 12:11
There are a lot of experience people who give you advice in this topic
But what you need is REALY good trainer who can read your dog and make a plan how to train
Training serious dogs you don,t learn on a forum, Leerburg videos, books etc.you can make easy mistakes,
I read a lot good comments here but I haven,t seen you and your dog in real life I must see
the whole picture and details . Take your time and find a realy good quality helper.
Good luck.
by Riven on 15 November 2015 - 13:11
I would start a young pup on a bite pillow, or tug, with about a at least a 8ft lead attached to it. You can then work your way down the lead so that you do not pressure the pup when its natural aggression has not matured yet. This should help build the pups confidence. There seems to be a big hurry to rush a dog to bark, or to get on a trial sleeve. I have never been ask the question on a trial field "So at what age did your dog bite a sleeve".
by Riven on 15 November 2015 - 13:11
by Bavarian Wagon on 16 November 2015 - 13:11
I also don't understand the "puppy circle" your dog is way too old for it. Plus, if you have 20 handlers and dogs, there is no way the dogs can get rewarded at the right time or when they finally do show the wanted behavior. The goal of the circle is to drive competition and frustration and that's what gets the puppies to bark and bite. Your dog is way past that stage and should be worked one on one with the helper. I would still use prey frustration to get your dog to bark, but that should be done one on one.
by Pirschgang on 17 November 2015 - 16:11
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