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by ILMD on 30 July 2015 - 14:07

The title of this thread is "The SV no longer releasing Judges to the WDA" which seems to be a topic worth discussing among those who participate in these activities.

I am asking the mods to keep it on topic. If you want to discuss the merits of the orgs. or how stupid the people are who participate, start your own thread or keep it on topic.

susie

by susie on 30 July 2015 - 17:07

I guess ( as I´m not involved at all ) that SV is not willing to acknowledge a third member club (WDA) within one single country.
Makes sense to me - a few thousand IPO / German Shepherd lovers don´t need 3 different clubs...even two is too much in my personal opinion.

Reminds me of the boxing organizations ( WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO, not to forget some minor clubs..)
Does anybody know who is the real Champion ???????

In case WDA wants to become an SV player again, they need to finish their controversy with GSDCA, plain and simple.

by Bob McKown on 30 July 2015 - 18:07


In all actuality no matter what group on letters are associated with IPO there still is only one true way to train your dog. Organizations will come and go, groups of letters will gather and disperse A dog trained in a traditional means will remain a constant.

by Blitzen on 30 July 2015 - 18:07

Susie, I am still trying to understand all the clubs in the US and their functions. All those intitials drive me nuts and I have no clue what most of them mean.

A few years ago I had to join the WDA in order to chair our little local show. I was a GSDCA member than, but I don't think that mattered. Now I am the chairman again for a trial and since I'm a GSDCA member I don't need to join anything else. To make it more complicated for me, an IPO/SV dummie, we had to try to find a judge who could judge/award both conformation ratings, breed surveys, and judge the trial. We have not been able to do that at a reasonable cost and we can't afford 2 judges, so we have to limit it to a trial, no conformation meaning we will probably lose a large percentage of our profit which will put us in the red very quickly. Last year we had probably one of the best known and respected judges, Margit VanDorrsen. She can't do trials either.....sigh.

What the hell is going on?  Why aren't there more judges who can do both in the US? We only have 2 US judges approved to judge SV shows Goldfarb and Gleason, neither can judge trials although Helen has HOT and BHOT trained a number of GSD's to IPO1,2,3 including an AKC CH. Goldfarb has been involved in IPO too. Doen't sound like either of them are interested in becoming licensed to judge trials.

The system seems to be set up to fail in the US. Am I missing something? I'm not even thinking about any GSD owners other than those with mainly showlines, so factor in the working dogs and their owners, it has to be an even worse mess. No wonder the sport is going to hell when it takes a doctorate to understand all ins and outs of these "clubs" and never mind the politics. By the time a newbie understands the entire package, the dog is elderly and the handler has arthritis and an artifical hip.

If it weren't so complicated more might be interested? As it is, it's just an alphabet soup that benefits only a few individuals and none of the dogs.

 


susie

by susie on 30 July 2015 - 18:07

I might be simple minded, but I always chose the club I liked, and where I was able to train my dogs.
At least the dogs don´t care about organizations...

Cutaway

by Cutaway on 30 July 2015 - 19:07

@Susie - Its harder over here since there are TWO GSD clubs; GSDCA and UScA. As you know, the GSDCA does not follow the SV standard in terms of breeding requirements so anyone can breed a registered litter of GSDs under GSDCA as long as the parents are registered, no working titles, AD or health requirements needed. Its an exciting time to see how this all works out and if having an SV judge helps draw more people to GSDCA shows then before? I did hear through the whisper grapevine that there was recently a meeting between the GSDCA and the UScA boards where there was a lot of support shown by UScA. Again its just whispers, but one of the topics was helping the GSDCA to develop a Judges College and a helpers college. Don't take this as 'factual', again I am only repeating rumors that I personally hope are true


by Blitzen on 30 July 2015 - 20:07

Actually, as an AKCmember club, the GSDCA is required to conform to AKC rules regarding registering and breeding purebred GSD's. They could not change any of those requirements if they wanted to; AKC would never approve it. As as alternative, the GSDCA offers a number of special awards to member's dogs based on performance, progeny accomplishment, AKC titles earned, etc.. Many of those awards are only available to GSD's with no disqualifying faults, normal hips and elbows and dogs that have passed the GSDCA temperament test. If  you're interested in learning about those awards, they are listed at GSDCA.ORG

 


susie

by susie on 30 July 2015 - 20:07

Blitzen, I don´t know much about AKC, therefor my question:
A lot of breeds are registered with AKC. Does NONE of the breed clubs require any additional rules prior to breeding?
Are all the different breeds bred to the same AKC standard?
This doesn´t make sense to me.

by hexe on 30 July 2015 - 20:07

"As you know, the GSDCA does not follow the SV standard in terms of breeding requirements so anyone can breed a registered litter of GSDs under GSDCA as long as the parents are registered, no working titles, AD or health requirements needed."

While the USCA follows the SV breed standard, it doesn't follow the SV breeding requirements, either--anyone can breed a litter of GSDs and register the litter with USCA without working or breed titles, AD or health requirements as well...so that's not a situation exclusive to the GSDCA.

Jus' sayin'...

susie

by susie on 30 July 2015 - 20:07

I really don´t like this.
In case I had the power to decide, the country of origin ( in this case Germany for the German Shepherd dog ) should be responsible for the standard and the breeding rules worldwide. In case other countries decide to use different or no rules, they should use another name for the breed ( in our case maybe "US Shepherd" ), not as degradation, but as differentiation.
Some countries may even develop better Shepherds, who knows...





 


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