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by gsdlvr2 on 07 June 2007 - 22:06

Ok, I guess, I would buy the dog back,choke up the $600.00 and consider it a rescue because who knows what will happen to the poor dog if you don't. If you don't have all the money, e mail me privately and I will help with the $. The thing is, not everyone cares where a sold dog goes. You,at least can resell it. If he sells it I am afraid to think what may happen. Legally..I don't know. He's pushing and the dog could be long gone before any court convened.

ladywolf45169

by ladywolf45169 on 08 June 2007 - 00:06

Yellowrose - I'm not sure about where you live, but I would definately do the small claims thing. 

My contract has a little added bonus *evil grin*...not only can you not sell a animal you buy from me without my permisssion or concent...if you violate this, you own $5000.00 punitive damages!  In almost 20 yrs., I've only had to take back 2 pups for breach of contract, and won both times in small claims court! :-)  Good luck, and keep up posted.

Christine 


yellowrose of Texas

by yellowrose of Texas on 08 June 2007 - 01:06

Well Christine , by the time I would try to sue in small claims court the pup would be long gone and try finding a pup in Texas among the 850 pups on puppyfind.com alone....he raised the price this afternoon to 700.00 on the www.puppyfind.com  but he emailed me to bring the $100.00 he paid on litter not born, and $600.00 in cash or dont waste his time.......I guess the next thing you will tell me is the email doesnt mean a hill of beans..

Thanks gsdlvr2 for your offer, but my social security check comes next weds. so Ill just suck up and pay the 600.00 for my pup and give him his nonrefundable deposit and I will get a written receipt...It will take most of my little check but I sold a pup yesterday and one last week, and after 10 bags of dog food and a tank of gas in my chevy vortec 8 cylinder truck I dont have much left....

I noticed AKC started the offer of registering the litter by breeders before you sell ,like Most germans do , and the you keep your alphabetical order good, and they discounted the price.....now....I am going to now do that.....I started to do that with this litter but go busy and boy the online is sure fast except if you co-own litters and I put my kids names on everything in case I fall in the creek or drop dead on the premises, worrying over my kids, I know they can go right on with things....they can anyway...but its easier if names are clearly printed then you dont havea to wait for a trust to be prooved or a will to get probated.. Thanks Christine   you are right.....But here in Texas , I discovered today , no dog contracts hold water, must be notorized at time of sale, and drawn up pretty tight...Mine is a long tight one, but was not notorized.....the cost of court outweights the get the pup back .

 


by Blitzen on 08 June 2007 - 01:06

IMO you are doing the best thing for the puppy and for you.  Selling dogs is colossal pain in the ass.


by spook101 on 08 June 2007 - 02:06

ladywolf, are you claiming you recovered punitive damages in either of those rulings?

by p59teitel on 08 June 2007 - 04:06

Yeah, I'd be curious to hear that too, since the majority rule is that punitive damages are not available in contract claims.  The majority rule is also that liquidated damages provisions in contracts are unenforceable if the purpose is to punish the breaching party rather than reasonably compensate the non-breaching one for his damages.  So in most places, you'd never get your $5,000 "penalty."

And personally, I will never ever hand over money for a pup and permit the breeder any future interest in or control over the pup.  The whole idea is somewhat insulting. 


by p59teitel on 08 June 2007 - 04:06

Wikipedia actually has a decent little section on contracts that covers most of the basics.  Remember that unless you're in Louisiana, the law you're looking for is "common law" and not "civil law." 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract


by ProudShepherdPoppa on 08 June 2007 - 04:06

Contrscts are only as good as the people signing them.  I could be wrong but I think in most states you can not keep someone fram selling something that is legally theirs.  You may be able in the future to insert a clause that gives you first refusal rights at a given price, but it would still be up to you to enforce it in court in the event of a breach.  And no, in most contract cases, punitive damages are not allowed. 

yellowrose of Texas

by yellowrose of Texas on 08 June 2007 - 07:06

Punitive damages are not allowed in contract cases,,,their has to be a deliberate task done to the seller, by the buyer, that harms or results in a loss of the item covered by the contract., and hard to prove without a lot of evidence//// Its far better that the breeder have some control over where the pup of her bloodline ,titles and hard work go, rather than the US government stepping in all our business in our homes and telling us what to do with pets, kids or possessions/No breeder tells the owner what to do, its only to make sure puppy doesnt end up in the hands of a mill, or experimental gang, or destroy the factual efforts to keep the reputation of a line in good hands...You evidently have no idea what people will go to, to ruin what you have so diligently worked to improve and better and all good things have rules that go along with the reaping of wonderful results......some people dont care where their pups go, but no one will ever get another of my pups without a limited registration and a name  in place on the certificate ....Just wont sell them a pup  if they dont want to follow a few good rules...

ladywolf45169

by ladywolf45169 on 08 June 2007 - 13:06

Spook

No, in neither case, that was necessary!  But my dogs were returned to me, and in both cases, the others lost because I also didn't have to pay them back anything either.  

<>As I have previously stated in another thread, my contract also states that if for any reason you can not keep the animals, it's returned to me, and if I can resell it, any monies from that sell are returned to you, minus any vet cost.  I try to be more then fair with buyers.  Which is probably why I still have 6 of the 11 puppies! LOL  But that's ok with me.  They will stay here, I will continue their training, socializing, feeding, and whatever it takes until they find good homes.  I DON'T just sell to anyone to make a buck!!  (NOT SAYING THAT ANYONE ELSE HERE DOES!!!)  





 


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