Puppy from Untitled Female??? - Page 1

Are there any problems with buying a puppy from an untitled female? I mean, for the new puppy owners. That is, will they have any trouble with registering her litters, or showing her, etc, taken that they want to title her, and kor-klass her?? For example, will it be possible to register her with USA and get a score book? Thanks everyone!

No problems at all as long as the puppy comes with AKC papers. You can get a score book for any breed or even a mixed breed. Be sure to get the puppy tatooed ASAP to avoid hassels later on if you are going to show and trial. You can do an individual USA registration using a 4 generation AKC pedigree [and now WDA is doing someting similar], and if you title the dog and koer her, then you can do USA registration on her litters if that is your goal.

its hard enough to get anywhere in the show ring with a dog realistically the politics around the parents have alot to do with it do you really think a dog from untitled parents has any sort of chance to even get anywhere? I am curious to know how many have been titled bred from untitled parents? From what I have heard around is offspring from untitled dams are treated like well bred pets? Let hear from some folks who have knowledge or have personally titled dogs in this case I would love this theory to be wrong.

oh and beware the puppy mill advertisings of puppies from titled lines! most of them are bred in bulk from the offspring of untitled offspring of titled grandsires and grandams. They will try to word it to make you think the titles are closer to your lil puppy than they really are such as: Typical of the dogs we use for breeding, V and VA rated parents the key word here being typical! you need to specify in direct for any pup you are considering exact questions of the parentage and their attributes or lack of not the grand or great grand. These puppymillers will try to make you think on a play of words that they are offering you the moon and its a lump of chalk in fancy talk.

****do you really think a dog from untitled parents has any sort of chance to even get anywhere? ***** not always true in regards to the dogs being treated "that way" imo in other countries, they have different "systems" and very good German stud dogs are bred to these "un Sch titled" bitches and these bitches come from outstanding lines and the same judges that come here, go to these countries and have no problems placing the untitled dams, offspring, but remember, they cant get a VA rating even when the offspring is titled.. to some that is not a big deal. Spain, Argentina, Brazil etc... they have different "apto de cria's" other titles as CAB etc.. they have some outstanding untitled brood bitches too, and there are SV judges that understand that there just isnt the "training" available in these countries like it is here or especially Germany. Now this is just from what i have seen and heard first hand. Stronger working showlines may beg to differ and feel an untitled female is worth nothing.. which as we know, is not always true and a untitled female isnt so bad versus untitled sire, orig poster stated only the female was untitled, right? wanted to check on that :) Titled dam with the titled sire surely is a much better thing, but doesnt mean that puppy is going to be anything, just because the dam is titled or not. I know judges that do not have a problem putting up the Open bitches as they are ultimate quality, just havent been titled. when they learn they were bred, will they still put them up.. thinking they "might" be titled down the road. you would be amazed at how many people will breed a bitch before she is titled, to be eventually titled.. they want to make sure she can conceive before putting all their time and money into her.. which imo makes lots of sence :) Dawnmarie

i am new to owning a gsd that can be bred I don't want to do anything that would put her health in jepordy. I would like to learn about how to choose a male to mate her with to get good dogs. I plan on her extra puppies sold locally (and will screen the owners carefully) to defray costs of vet bills and care. I am on disabilty (limited income)for multiple sclerosis and she is one of two service dogs i own. she sleeps with me, opens the fridge, brings me stuff when i ask and has a sweet disposition with a stubborn streak. and she is fast. when she decides that she goes outside first, she can get around me and run and i can't chase her with the ms. She is a happy working dog and very precious to me. She is more than just a dog. She is my arms. i have already made arrangements to donate at least one puppy from each litter to the local police k9 officer who will train the dog to be a service animal to be given free to someone who needs one and can't afford to get and train a dog or to wait on the list for one from paws with a cause. sophie is a very smart but small german shepherd. i am not a professional breeder nor do i plan to be. i just want to make sure that i don't breed a bad dog to my dog. i haven't bred her at all yet. I do not plan on breeding her every heat cycle, i am thinking only once every 18 months. So i will only be breeding her maybe four times. i am very careful anytime she is in heat. i stay outside with her when she goes outside to play or to "use a tree" i do have the necessary papers to allow her to be registered with the akc. any suggestions from people who have real knowlege would be appreciated. The little i do know is: First i have to register her, have her hips ofayed and certified for breeding (if the hips have any problems then i will not breed her at all), and then pick a dog with good bloodlines to breed her with. She is from a good kennel and is geman import bloodlines. her vet in michigan dropped her jaw when she saw her pedigree (i keep a copy of her pedigree, her chip number, and puppy papers on file at vets) and sophie (the name i use to call her at home) impressed the vet with her health, charm, and temperament. this is a special dog that was sold twice after being brought back to the breeder and then donated to me by the second owners at approximately one year old. She was originally sold to people who didn't know how much care a german shepherd needs or that it is not kept outside in a kennel all day and night. She has come back beautifully from behavior problems. She is a loving and happy dog. She just needed love and attention. as you can tell, other than feeding her properly, making sure her needs are met, i really have no idea what i am doing. So i don't do anything until i have the proper knowlege. please help me. i apologise for being lengthy but i have so many questons to find answers to and i am so grateful i found this site and checked it out. thank you for help in advance stephani in new mexico

Hmmm - don't know about show lines, but there are titled and koered dogs from untitled females around...my SG Schh3, KKL1 female is from a female who was bred without being titled...I am not sure if she was titled later or not. Many of the big, well known US kennels breed untitled females to their VA and high V males - often littemates from their breedings to titled dogs....and then people take those resulting pups, sold as pets, and breed them!!! Are they show "worthy" - I don't know. Can you take them through the paperwork and TRY to show and compete with them even though their mother is not titled??? Sure you can. THAT was the question!!!!

Stephanie, it is 1 am here on teh east coast. I am not trying to hurt your feelings. If I read this right, you have an 18 month old female, given to you by the 2nd owner - so you are the third in less than 2 years. The dog has never been registered, but you have an application, adn you want to start a breeding program??????????? Please sit down and read this board. Please read some other boards. Please go to petfinders. Look at all the german shepherds dumped and looking for homes. Read about schuthund and the SV standards and criteria for breed worthiness. Please do your homework, and spend some time finding and going to trials and shows to learn about the work needed to be done to qualify a dog for a breeding animal under the system that most people who are serious about the breed follow. Most small animal Vets go to school to learn about skin problems, to suture wounds, clean ears, give vaccines, spay and neuter pets, clip nails, clean teeth etc etc. Most vets are not dog breeders and the ones that are are not usually GSD breeders. Maybe a .0001% of them are. There is a lot to learn and the information is available if you spend the time.

Buying a pup from an untitled female: Going this route is a great way to learn the ups and especially the downs of the GSD world. Afterall, aren't the failures we take to heart the lessons we remmeber? So many of us began our GSD careers in this same place. Good luck and see ya' seven dogs down the road.

How many FEMALES AND MALES IN GERMANY HAVE THE BIG SCHH III and fail the bite work or not even the minimum effort to take a bite at the sleeve, and still breed them, I think it makes no difference from untitled bitches, even sometimes we all can't afford the time and expenses of a big schH, I wish we had a the possibilities to achieve something easier than schH, I have had untitled females that slam onto the helper and bite with strong full grip. Arent all dogs untitled before the titles? Maybe I'm trying to title my own dogs and it takes me a couple of years to achieve real titles, and in the middle of it I breed my dog. Yes, go ahead and buy from schH titled females, it all sounds beautiful, but have you seen this female or male bite? Did you witness "such trial," was it a real schH title or did the owner buy her titled already or did they pay 3 to 7000 for it like most of everybody do? I have seen dogs coming back from Germany "fully trained" and not even sit... Well, I'm sure most will agree and others disagree. Just my point of view, just buy a good puppy and not what they want to show you.