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Thanks ProudShepherdPoppa. I'm having a ball with him in the ring, and it is gratifying and special when he does beat another GSD! I don't even think twice about it though. He has every right just as they do to be out there strutting his stuff : - }

Thanks ProudShepherdPoppa. I'm having a ball with him in the ring, and it is gratifying and special when he does beat another GSD! I don't even think twice about it though. He has every right just as they do to be out there strutting his stuff : - }

Shepherd Woman, I have stated bfore that you have a beautiful boy and I for one am all for people do SOMETHING with their dog that both they and the dog enjoys. However, there is one thing about this that does bother me and that is the essential dishonsety of how you present your dog. You present him as an AKC CH and we both know that is not possible. If you are proud of what you do in UKC then own up to it. I sent you a private message thru this board about this 2 months ago which you did not choose to respond to. This was the text of the PM "..I would like to suggest a correction for your dog's page on the database since it will make for a more correct and honest presentation. You have listed him as Champion. While he is a very beautiful boy the reality is he is a coat and that means he can not be an AKC Ch. The convention is that Ch. before a name indicates an AKC title. If the title comes from a different venue for example Canada or the UKC then it is listed one of two ways - CKC Ch. or Ch.(UKC) - either way is corret. That way everyone knows the venue and standard that the dog was awarded his championship under. There are a few other countries that also use this designation I think Bermuda and Mexico are among them and you will also see that designated as part of the title. I hope this information is helpful to you. " On his gradmother's page you had posted the following comment " I don't want people thinking that I'm being dishonest about my boy!". So which is it? How about correctly presenting him as the UKC Ch he is and not pretending he's something else.

SW: "First of all, you cannot "cut" a GSD's hair for showing. You will be disqualified immediately when they find out! When I show my long coat male, I do take him to a groomer though before the show. She plucks his ear hairs, and uses a kind of rake comb on his chest etc. to "thin" the hair down some. But as I said, you cannot cut it! She also trims up his pads etc. on his feet." Sounds like cutting the hair to me. Plucking long hairs from the ears, "thinning" chest hair, and trimming hair on the pads all sound like cutting hair.

By any other name, SW is "cutting" her dog's hair--either with a stripping blade, Furminator, and/or thinning shears. How do I know? Well, because, dammit, my first GSD female was a LC. Sure, we called it a "borderline" LC--which does not exist genetically. Just as their are different lengths of normal coats, long coats have different lengths, too. Her name was Andrea's Annelore UDT. She did very well in AKC breed shows--won AKC points--once went Best Local Dog in Show over "real" AKC champions. I freely admit that I bred her and that she produced some fantastic pups. Would I do it again? Never!! However, I can think of no stud owners of the time who would have discouraged me or turned down a stud fee. Why did I breed her? Because I was young (in my mid-20's), a novice, dumb, stupid, naive (you fill in the blanks). Also, more mature would-be role models in the breed also "cheated" and did not set good examples. I remember Walter Frost's LC Ch Fritz DeCloudt, Ann Mesdag's (Von Nassau kennels) Yoncalla's Barney, and a couple of LC female (a mother and her daughter) AKC champions here in California--finished and handled by Jerry Guzman. If trimmed (beg your pardon--I mean "groomed") skillfully, a LC can "almost" pass as a normal coat (to the uneducated eye). Here is my old Lore--trimmed : This is Fels, a trimmed LC pup, at play--and all wet:

"aren't long coats against the original GSD standard? so i guess showing them in conformation is like the speacial olympics for dogs????????" ROFLMAO! I swear this board is always good for an inappropriate laugh...

GoldenElk: "showing them in conformation is like the special olympics for dogs????????" *********************************************************************************************** Nope, it's special olympics for their__________ (fill-in-the-blank) owners, IMO!

WOW that was a good trim uh I mean grooming on Andrea's Annelore. If I really cared about the confirmation ring I would be tempted to to the same with my Pup. I wish they just had a different classification for LC GSDs like other breeds do. I know, I know its not the standard but coat wasn't important originally why did it become a DQ as apposed to just not ideal. Other outdoor herding breeds have long hair.

Dave, The long coat with undercoat was fully accepted and could be a KKL1 until the late 60s or 70s when they were relegated to a KKL2 designation purely on coat length. The LC w/ no undercoat was always considered undesirable. I believe it was aproximately 10 years ago that the standard was changed to move long stock hair dogs(LC w/ undercoat) from a KKL2 to a DQ. The reason - never given to my knowledge - so what follow is just my personal opinion and nothing more. In the 70's and 80's primarily during the Martin years the SV and German breeders changed how GSDs were treated in the marketplace. They moved from a place where they exported on an ongoing basis individual animals to other countries that had stable GSD populations of their own, standards of their own and their own judges to a place where what was exported was the system, the wholesale exportation of dogs to maintain that system and the wholesale exportation of SV judging for both conformation and working trials. They maintain this by not recognizing other countries judges (if your dog is Koered under a USA or WDA judge UNLESS that person is ALSO a SV judge your koer is not recognized by the SV). They maintain this by judging our sieger shows and awarding the top places only to imports. It took 30 years for the US to get a homegrown VA but of course not from homegrown lines but from first generation imports. So now instead of the occasional foreign import what became the "norm" and desireable in these countries was the imprimature that the dog was a "german import" regardless of its quality and type. The raising and exporting of GSD became even more of a meat market than it had been before. Commercially this was a very successful venture for the SV and the GSD breeders especially the high volume show breeders. The problem was it was so successful that by the late 90's they had pretty much saturated the world market. What to do what to do. By DQ the coats they basically reduced the current eligible breeding population by about 25% (the rough penetrance of the LC gene in the population) thus making the remaining 75% that much more valuable. You may gather from my cynicism that I disagree with this decision. We are a breed with serious genetic problems. I will take a healthy coat(and most of them seem to be) any day to a dog w/ pancreatic insufficiency, heart disease, epilepsy, bloat, torsion etc etc etc. In addition most coats I have known have an extra brightness, willingness - whatever you want to call it and they all seem to be great working dogs. I think the SV did a great disservice by the change in the standard.

First of all, VKFGSD you stated. "You present him as an AKC CH and we both know that is not possible. If you are proud of what you do in UKC then own up to it". Never have I stated that my dog is a AKC champion! If you look back in my post, when someone ask me I gladly tell them that he is a UKC champion!!! Under his picture it shows his UKC number! UKC/P509-393 I have NEVER been told that I HAVE to put AKC, UKC or any other thing in front of his CH.! So I will not! animules you stated SW: "First of all, you cannot "cut" a GSD's hair for showing. You will be disqualified immediately when they find out"! I do NOT cut my GSD's hair for show! If you look at what I said to Cindy up above, you will see what I told her, in fact I will copy and paste for you! CindyGSD said!!!!, "you should trim, cut all her hair down to same length as a standard coat, then you can show her". I said!!!!! "Wronggggggg, LOL. First of all, you cannot "cut" a GSD's hair for showing. You will be disqualified immediately when they find out"! My groomer does use a type of rake on him that thins his hair out, yes! We were told by UKC that we CAN do that but we cannot cut his hair. I live 15 minutes away from the UKC Head office, and he has been there so the could see him BEFORE I started showing him, to see if he was acceptable for the ring! He had NEVER been to a groomer before they saw him! I only found a groomer to clean him up after they said he could show! VKFGSD you also stated that you messaged me 2 months ago. I got nothing from you! I do not, just not answer my messages from anyone on here. People message me and email me all the time and I always get back with them immediately when I get the message! Louise M. Penery you stated Nope, it's special olympics for their__________ (fill-in-the-blank) owners, IMO! First of all, what grade are you in? LOL. To all. Just because you have a LC shepherd does NOT mean that you cannot do anything with your dog that you enjoy. Many have said it on here and other forums before. You all need to get off of your damn high horses and I think you owe all of the LC shepherd owners on this forum a apology for beins so damn stupid with your post! JMO!!!!!!!!!!