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can anyone say what experiences they have had with Canine Red Cell or Dog Bloom Supreme supplements. I am haviing problems getting good weight on my dogs despite quality coats and a clean bill of health. The two products were recommended to me

Hyping various pet supplements is a multi Billion dollar business. These products are merely Vitamin supps with no caloric benefit. The original Red Cell or the Canine Red Cell is ok if you have an anemic dog, but the claim of improving appetite is based off its iron and B complex Vitamins. Human products are always superior to Pet products. If you want your dog to gain weight, you must up the caloric intake. You definately need a good protein source. Muscle Milk is an excellent product for gaining weight and muscle building. Its fantastic for nursing females. If your dog still wont gain weight, you might ask your Vet for a 6wk cycle of equipoise. With a 50mg injection once a week you will see a dramatic difference in your dog's appetite and weight. http://www.cheapvitamins.com/productDesc.aspx?prodId=200

Zico - lean is not so bad. In Germany GSDs are always kept on the lean side. If the dog looks healthy, and gets a clean bill of health, more bulk is not always necessary. If you want more muscle, you can increased physical training to build muscle. Increase food accordingly. If you want to add some weight through fooding, you can increase fat intake to 1-3 teaspoons a day. Any fat source other than soy. You can also add cooked pasta or boiled potatoes to the food. That will usually bulk up the dog. Digestive enzymes may help if the dog is not digesting the food properly, which could be another reason for being so lean. It may also be the food. Experiment with what dog food works best for your dog. I recommend, as always, www.eaglepack.com. They ship. One food that I tried recently was Nutro Ultra Adult (got some free bags to try). My nearly 9 year old whippet is always the first tester for new food, since she is a finicky eater and her very high metabolism shows changes quickly. She usually has food available all day long. With this I had to ration it, she was eating it like candy and getting fat. A fat whippet looks like a sausage on toothpicks, not very appealing. She had never been fat before, so I took notice quickly. Once we got the amount adjusted (about half of what she usually eats per day) she looked good, coat quality was super, though she was not as cut and dry as she usually looks, got a very soft and rounded look to her, and she was always hungry of course ;o). What I did not like about it was that it seemed to make her constipated. I would consider it worth a try for a dog that is hard to keep weight on, may add some fibre if necessary. I like the shape of that kibble (long, flat, oval), and we are using it as rewards now. If you cannot get it in your area, contact Nutro and ask them to ship you a sample bag. Then order directly from them if it works. Decoy - Creatine (in muscle milk) is not considered safe to use for pregnant or nursing women or children. I wonder how much of it will end up in the pups if you feed it to a nursing female? Would it not be safer to give something like this after the pups are weaned? What is your experience with this overall? Does a female bounce back quicker after a litter? How much do you give? Equipose is a steroid. Do you think its use is justified just to bulk up a dog? I don't know if this dog is supposed to be shown or not. But for just everyday use I find that option rather drastic. How would it affect a dogs fertility (esp male)? Zico did not say if he has a male or a female. Would this be safe to use with a female? Not trying to open a can of worm, just interested. You can always mail me privately. Thanks.

I will have to post this reply in 2 parts as my reply was too long to be accepted. Pt (1) From 1970 to 1986 I was a professional athlete. During some of that time to the present I have been a trainer of world class athletes and Performance dogs who face workouts and contests that make anything a GSD would have to do seem like a joke. I dont write about anything I have not done personally or have experience using on athletes, both human and canine. A dog's main source of energy is fat. With Muscle Milk, the fat content is high, and if you look at the nutritional information closely, it is mostly monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats, which are good for any animal(human included) and can actually help burn adipose tissue. One could use the same dosage for a human serving and mix a shake to be mixed with the dog's kibble or just given as a bedtime snack. This is one supplement that tastes out of this world, and I realize that dogs arent supposed to taste, but mine have never turned away from a Muscle milk Bluberries n Cream Yet. The protein is a mixture of Casein and Whey though. Out of the two, there is more Casein in the mix. This means it will be a slower acting protein and would not be for the 30 min windowPWO(post work out) or the Golden Hour, 2 topics I decoy D have written about. Many young female athletes as well as female athletes in their prime take creatine. Creatine can be used to improve one’s overall health, especially individuals with diseases that limit their ability to perform physical activities. For instance, Creatine supplementation has been used to treat infants who are unable to synthesize creatine. Research has shown that individuals with conditions that cause muscle wasting such as HIV and various neuromuscular diseases are able to maintain, and in some cases increase their muscle mass when supplementing with creatine monohydrate. Other studies involving subjects diagnosed with congestive heart failure were able to perform more physical work when they used creatine monohydrate. Although creatine is not likely to cure someone diagnosed with the types of medical conditions I just referred to, it may allow people to be more productive and improve their quality of life. Of course as with anything there wil be those who find fault and claim negatives.

Part (2) ABS(Anabolic steroids) are not some magic secret elixir that is sold out of back alleys by guys in trench coats. They are simply a recovery tool for overworked athletes, post surgery patients, and victims of cancers and aids. My favorite ABS Anavar was taken off the market, only to be brought back for the treatment of Aids and children with growth problems. Today, the substance boldenone undecylenate can only be found in steroids for veterinary medicine. The American Equipoise is for horses; the Columbian Ganabol is used for cattle; and the German Vebonol for dogs. Equipoise has a very favorable effect on the organism's nitrogen balance so that the main effect consists of a distinctly increased protein synthesis in the muscle cell. The resulting gain in body weight consists of a solid quality increase of the muscles which occurs slowly and evenly. The high quality is caused by low water retention of the substance. An additional advantage is that Equipoise aromatizes only slightly, thus making it an effective drug to use when preparing for competitions. Athletes who are dieting combine Equipoise with Winstrol Depot and report a dramatic increase in muscle hardness. Together with a sufficiently high supply of calories and protein this combination offers its users a large increase in strength and a rapid gain in qual-ity muscles. Many will notice that Equipoise stimulates the appe-tite. The advantages achieved can usually be well-maintained over several weeks after use of the compound is discontinued. Equipoise also stimulates the erythropoiesis which is manifested by improved development and the formation of red blood cells. If you follow the Tour de France hence the same affect as EPO( the favorite illegal drug of the riders). A 6 week cycle of 50mg of equipoise would have no adverse affect what so ever on a male canine's own production of testosterone. In fact, during the cycle and for a short while post cycle the male canine would become more potent. Equipoise is also a favorite of the women and proper usage would not affect the fertility of a bitch. As with any drug, problems can occur when ABS are abused. If ABS are used for prolonged use, then an animals own production can shut down, but that would take months and months longer than a short and proper cycle like 6weeks. I cannot judge for anyone else what course they would like to take with their animal. I can offer what I know and have experience with.

Hey, great posts!! Good comment on fat. Most dog food is too low in fat. I have several musher friends who add fat to their dogs diet, even the high energy they feed. They go up to 30% fat in the total diet, with very good results. Mind you these dogs are extreme athletes. They compare fat in the diet to the oil of an engine, if not enough is there, the muscles cannot run smoothly, that the fat is hydrating the muscles properly during work. I see my own dogs doing much better with more fat in the diet in extreme weather conditions such as very cold and very hot. I have never heard of creatine being given to dogs, so I find this very interesting. I know female athletes take it, but that it is not supposed to be given to pregnant/nursing woman, hence my question above. Your comments re creatine bring up a few new questions, if you don't mind: Usually when giving a dog a human treatment, a kids dosage is used for a shepherd size dog. So giving a full adult dose of this muscle milk for example - is that not a bit high? What kind of activity level should a normal dog have in order justify supplementation with creatine? Do you feed it to keep an active/competition/show dog in better shape? If yes, do you see some real improvement? At how young an age can a dog be safely supplemented with creatine? With people they recommend 18 years, though I know 15 year olds have taken it without much problems. Will such a supplement not throw off a balanced puppy/youngster diet? Could use at too early an age influence muscle build-up to a point where structural damage is caused? Or would stronger muscular development help joints? The latter would make more sense I think. Will it help older dogs that start to show wear and tear and cannot move as well any more, will it help them get around better? You write about better quality of life, just thinking how it could improve that for an older dog. Example, friend has an older SchH dog, has competed at the worlds, the dog is very arthitic in its feet, but otherwise in good spirits. Compensation of course causes other soreness too. We would love to find something to increase this dogs well being, he has earned it. Another friend has an older Lab that has busted stifle joints with torn cruciate ligaments that have already been fixed but then went again. No sense to repeat procedure, very gimpy dog, very sore in terms of muscles. This dog moves about mostly on stabilizing legs through muscles, very little skeletal support left, so lots of muscle soreness there too, but typical Lab - happy nevertheless :o).

First off, Muscle Milk does not contain Creatine per se, but rather what the Cyto company calls Creatine GCC. This supports the Body's Own Creatine Production - They claim to have discovered a revolutionary method to increase the body's own production of muscle energy critical creatine. Im certain you and most GSD breeders would be much more comfortable using any of APRL's products. Here is the canine version of Muscle Milk http://www.k9power.com/peakgrow.htm As for the joints in older dogs, most everyone knows the common supps, but for true relief Deca is the Bomb. Deca Durabolin Since Deca also stores more water in the connective tissues, it can temporarily cease or even cure existing pain in joints. This is especially good for those athletes who complain about pain in the shoulder, elbow, and knee; they can often enjoy pain-free workouts during treatment with Deca-Durabolin. Creatine and ABS have been used in certain performance dogs about as long as they have been used by humans.

Fritz runs APRL and wrote the article below. Check out the Creatine section. Fritz and his former employee Williams who ran Peak Condition out of Iowa and ran ads in Shutzhund USA Magazine, always argue and fight through different articles. Fritz has an article against William's old view on Carb loading for canines. It always makes for interesting reads. http://k9power.com/don'tstress.htm