Obamacare.....From those who have to those who don't have - Page 21

Gosh, Falkosmom, the vets are sucking the money out of you. Yearly exams for a healthy dog is just one of the ways vets have learned to increase the bottom line, in other words get more of your money than they earn. Sending out reminders for vac for dogs that have been long since deceased is an example of their ruthlessness.( I get them all the time from a clinic my vet sold. The new vets send me reminders to vac dogs that died as long as fifteen years ago.....they want to keep my dogs healthy because they care, don't you know.) Billing for BIO-f**ing-HAZARD DISPOSAL !! Some of these blood suckers actually charge their clients a dollar for throwing away a needle and syringe ! It adds up when you figure how vac happy these vets have become. I bet your vet does heart worm check before prescribing preventative each time. Another waste of money and bilking by the vet. They go to seminars to learn how to GET your money, or in your case your 88 yr old mother's. Chemotherapy for a dog usually does not have a good out come, the vet make a a lot of money tho, knowing full well the prognosis is not wonderful. Buy Ivomec from Jeffers or Tractor Supply, you'll save hundreds of of dollars a year that the vets won't get and your dogs will be heart worm free for much less money. Veterinarians have become scammers to a large degree.

* "So what really is your point about not being able to afford my dogs XXXXXXXXXXXXX?  That my dog is unfortunate because I found a way? Or that he would have been better off in a home that could, but would not, pay for his bills? " *

First, this is the ObamaCare thread and my opinion is indirectly related to one reason why I think people maybe cannot afford human healthcare.

-- What I mean is, if people can't afford dogs like taking care of a dogs health, or able to feed their dogs .. why is that status ok for them to have a dog ? Especially if they can't afford to take care their own self or human family healthcare ? There is major medical for animals ya know. The typical pot meet kettle stuff. Both of your questions are the same type people. They cannot or will not pay for what they have. So others get stuck with the bill or the dog suffers, basically. It's the same mentality.

Your dog isn't unfortunate you "found a way", he is very fortunate you "found a way". But, take your mother outta the equation and what do you have ? Who is going to pay for your dogs healthcare if you cannot ? Your mother is the "unfortunate" one here, in my opinion.

If I couldn't afford to Queen Plate a horse before the race and asked my dad for money - he'd tell me to give the horse away to someone who can afford it. My mother would prolly hand over the cash a few time but still .. dad is the decision maker in those parts. I'd never ask them for money to begin with. Knock on wood.

I'm not trying to be mean - I'm just telling you what I think. If I'm forced to pay, and I will be in 2014, everyones healthcare bill along with myself and my son - I think maybe the whole picture and exactly how I feel about it should be expected. No ? I shouldn't have questions of why people cannot afford to take care of their own families healthcare ? Or is this an IRS payup at gunpoint and don't ask questions kinda thing ?

I see dog sellers and breeders telling the public to researching dogs before buying, knowing the health and possible health concerns before buying, the cost of ageing, the cost of feeding (especially big dogs) before buying .. yet if a newbie posts they bought a dog and it's costing them an arm and a leg everyone tells them to give the dog to someone who can care and afford it. Again, pot meet kettle stuff.

Multiple animals is prolly one of the reasons the welfare office refuses people for all the welfare benefits and healthcare too. I still don't see why welfare doesn't support these people who cannot pay medical bills. Why is it we need a national healthcare with welfare anyhows ?

Just saying. Sorry, I shouldn't have said anything.

Baby Eagle, I agree on some of your points. However, having a dog in the home is an asset for the most part...security from scum bags wanting to take what's not theirs, companionship (which is a big support as has been proved over and over again). Health care for dogs has become GIANT industry same as human health care because of health INSURANCE for pets! Vets charge too much because they can, same as hospitals and all other human health care Businesses.

Please provide me with a list of names of these doctors who are leaving medicine because of ACA.  I suspect that the list will be about as long as that of climatologists who don't work for the oil companies who disavow human involvement in global warming.

I forgot something about my younger dog.  Around Memorial Day he broke his foot. 

Trip to the ER, $119.00, meds about $12.00, very affordable.

If I had gone to the ER for my sprained ankle, do you think I could have gotten away with such affordable care?  No way!!!

Baby Eagle,

I never once asked my mother to pay for anything for my dog's care.  We live together and he is the one that is at her side for nine years, her sole companion, keeping her safe at night while I work the late shift.  She obviously is well aware of his cancer and volunteers to pay for the bulk of his care.

And if you think my mother is the unfortunate one here, then I will give you even more reason to think so.  She pays for all my diabetic sister's medical care as she is low income and has no health insurance either. 

Also, I think there is little difference between unable vs unwilling to pay catastrophic veterinary care when it comes to qualifying for dog ownership.  To think that those that are unable to afford such costs are less deserving to own a dog is absurd and elitist.







  

* "However, having a dog in the home is an asset for the most part...security from scum bags wanting to take what's not theirs, companionship (which is a big support as has been proved over and over again)." *

-- So what are you saying here .. put your dogs life in jeopardy to maybe save your own or keep that tiffany lamp ? That's what guns are for. I thought you said dogs are family ? If dogs are family why would you want your dog in the same room during a home invasion or with a burglar or armed burglar ? If the dog didn't stop the burglar from entering your home .. the dog isn't an "asset" at all. You see all the Police killing pet inside the home .. and they are the Police for crying out loud. Who knows what a criminal will do.

With a dead dog ("asset") your still gonna get raped, robbed and dead if you don't protect yourself with the gun. It's as simple as that.

I know if someone (anyone) invades my home - I don't want my dog or child hurt or dead, they depend on me to protect them - I need to take responsibility and protect my family and sending one of them to the same room after a home invasion is not what I will do. (That's saying my dog failed to protect the home FROM an invasion.) That's where she has the training. I'm confident noone is gonna invading my home as long as she is in it - unless they plan on killing her.

My home plan is to keep us all alive till the Police get there .. and now the way Police are these days killing everything - I changed my whole home plan and my security system, as a matter of fact the Department of Homeland Security now controls the communications of my home security system after I upgraded. They do random house checks and security drills with their own people here just to see how a real invasion would play out and the environment sound, time and lag in communications. Security Systems now adays que up on the environment and background noise, that's how advanced they are. If the dog is freakin' out inside the home my security trips by default.

A dog as an "asset" is an expendable asset if it fails to protect the windows and doors from a home invasion .. if you care to know what I think.

Whateva, Falkosmom

I'm sorry to have mentioned it, but that's how I feel. Hate me today, hate me tomorrow.

BE, I think you're going a bit "over board" here. If you're asleep, some scum bags attempt a break-in, you're family member the dog hears them and sounds the alarm ( barking, not elec alarm). First, those kind of parasites don't like having attention brought to them by a barking dog so, chances are, they'll high tail it out of there. Second, the dog alerting will wake you and give time to grab the gun and shoot the bastards if they gain entry. There fore, the family "asset" has just helped secure the safety of the entire family without anyone but the scum bag dead, then you can hit'm over the head with the Tiffany lamp for good measure. There isn't a dog on my place that would not notice a burglar trying to gain access through a window, door or chimney. Gives me a chance to arm myself. Timing is every thing. If I called 911 it'd take 20 to 30 min for them to get here. I sure rather have a dog barking to warn me than depend on cops. I figured since you are a dog owner, I didn't need to explain how they are an "asset". Anyone who is accustomed to having a dog in the house and then for some reason is without them, I bet they feel less "secure" not having the comfort that family member provides while every one sleeps.

If someone busts in my home where I live ... I'm dead, my dog is dead, child is dead and the burgler will loot the place without anyone ever knowing. Maybe some talk around town in the morning about a strange vehicle coming up my way .. but, till I show my face down the mountain, at work, child missing to much school or Old Mrs. Stolfutz shows up for coffee or her toe nails trimmed .. noone will ever know.

I CANNOT LET ANYONE ENTER MY HOME !!! PERIOD.

The advantage I have up here is my dog (and livestock for that matter) catch air sents like you wouldn't believe. They know when someone or something is around and even far off that doesn't belong and they don't hesitate to investigate while making noise. Another reason I like bandi roosters and wildlife around here at night ..

If my dog fails to keep a home invader outta my house or trip the security before invader enters .. we are all as good as dead, I can only hope then my son is in his bedroom and not some other room in the house sleeping. That's just the way it is. I work 14 - 16 hours a day, everyday. I sleep from about midnight to 4:30am and when I sleep, I sleep.

Maybe I am over reacting, I dunno, what I do know is for a single mom not having backup (like a husband) in the house weighs on every decision I make. For this reason alone my dad says I should get married. lol

Then I guess we agree that a dog is an asset including for helping to maintain security? I live a quarter mile off the road, closest neighbor quarter mile away. Woods surround me and therefore, any one approaching would in no way go unnoticed by my dogs. They help keep me safe. I have a gun within easy reach any place in the house. Even an idiot on crack couldn't sneak up; they'd never get close enough to the house to even attempt a break in, thanks to my dogs. I couldn't afford the hospital bill if I allowed some scum bag to hurt me, so my dogs give me time to stop them first. (trying to stay on topic,LOL)