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by Slamdunc on 18 June 2010 - 21:06
Ruger1,
I agree with much of the advice offered here and disagree with some of it as well. First and foremost, you need to get some experienced help. You need an experienced person to show you how to properly correct the dog. The correction will seem harsh to you, but that is because you lack the experience to know better. If I were there I'd correct your dog and stop the behavior and demonstrate the appropriate way to do it. Then I'd hand the dog back to you and clarify that you were capable of performing the task with your dog. I disagree with the straight up correction on the prong collar, with a choke collar that would be correct.
I would only use a prong collar if I were sure the dog wouldn't redirect his aggression towards you. With a prong collar you turn to the right quickly while giving a strong pop on the leash for this type of situation. You will need to do this more than once. You turn to the right and correct, using the turning motion of your body to "put your hip" into the correction. This will allow you to have sufficient power to deliver the correction. You may need to do this several times, spinning in a circle until the dog gets the message. This is not the best way way to deal with an aggressive dog, just one way. There are many other techniques, like using the a nylon slip / choke collar. I'm not going to get into detail on some of the other methods because some people can not grasp the concepts and take things out of context. My frustration with some dolt's on this forum prohibits me from being specific or giving out detailed training advice.
If you PM me a specific question I'll be happy to answer it. Bottom line is that you need to seek some experienced trainers and see them in person and be wary of the advice you receive here.
The good news is that is a very fixable problem. I had a male GSD years ago that demonstrated this exact behavior and in the wrong hands he would have been a very dangerous dog. He was super aggressive as a puppy to people and dogs. I worked with that dog every day. We went to train stations, shopping malls, stood outside Blockbuster video at 11 PM while dozens of people walked by. Train Stations at 6 PM when 100's of people exited the trains on the platform. He turned out to be a V rated SchH III KKL1a male with a great temperament. But it took a lot of work, patience and dedication. I doubt your dog is as hard or civil as my former dog was, at least I hope not for your sake.
FWIW,
Jim
I agree with much of the advice offered here and disagree with some of it as well. First and foremost, you need to get some experienced help. You need an experienced person to show you how to properly correct the dog. The correction will seem harsh to you, but that is because you lack the experience to know better. If I were there I'd correct your dog and stop the behavior and demonstrate the appropriate way to do it. Then I'd hand the dog back to you and clarify that you were capable of performing the task with your dog. I disagree with the straight up correction on the prong collar, with a choke collar that would be correct.
I would only use a prong collar if I were sure the dog wouldn't redirect his aggression towards you. With a prong collar you turn to the right quickly while giving a strong pop on the leash for this type of situation. You will need to do this more than once. You turn to the right and correct, using the turning motion of your body to "put your hip" into the correction. This will allow you to have sufficient power to deliver the correction. You may need to do this several times, spinning in a circle until the dog gets the message. This is not the best way way to deal with an aggressive dog, just one way. There are many other techniques, like using the a nylon slip / choke collar. I'm not going to get into detail on some of the other methods because some people can not grasp the concepts and take things out of context. My frustration with some dolt's on this forum prohibits me from being specific or giving out detailed training advice.
If you PM me a specific question I'll be happy to answer it. Bottom line is that you need to seek some experienced trainers and see them in person and be wary of the advice you receive here.
The good news is that is a very fixable problem. I had a male GSD years ago that demonstrated this exact behavior and in the wrong hands he would have been a very dangerous dog. He was super aggressive as a puppy to people and dogs. I worked with that dog every day. We went to train stations, shopping malls, stood outside Blockbuster video at 11 PM while dozens of people walked by. Train Stations at 6 PM when 100's of people exited the trains on the platform. He turned out to be a V rated SchH III KKL1a male with a great temperament. But it took a lot of work, patience and dedication. I doubt your dog is as hard or civil as my former dog was, at least I hope not for your sake.
FWIW,
Jim
by Ruger1 on 18 June 2010 - 23:06
Slamdunc......I really appreciate your detailed post. I also understand about being cautious about what you say, that is wise. It is a real blessing to have the opinions and insight of you, and others like you. I try to be very careful about the advice I take on and off this board. Thanks for the offer of a PM I might just take you up on it after Monday's class. I am happy to know that this is a fixable problem. Prince is a wonderful boy IMO. Being a Registered Nurse I was hoping to use Prince for some type of therapy work,,,,,,,,not sure if that's going to happen, but I can dream....lol...For now I am just looking forward to Monday's class.............Thanks Ruger1
by steve1 on 19 June 2010 - 01:06
Much of what Jim says is correct What i said regards the Leash correction is because many folk hold the leash in the right hand so therefore the leash is across there body there is no way they can issue an instant correction with the power needed to give it with the leash held that way, Yes, once the Dog complies with what Ruger wants then by all means take him into the city to get used to people I do it regular in fact i took Izzy down to the city twice recently whilst our Sister was on holiday over here It did her a lot of good and benifit your dog later on as well
Steve1
Steve1
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