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by Ruger1 on 18 June 2010 - 06:06
hexe....Yes, I guess I do question my ability since what I am doing does not seem to be working.... I think he must read my mind because I am trying very hard to act as if I am ignoring the whole situation....he must smell my anxiety..lol
Moons....I have brought him closer with people who I felt were less likely to sue me if they were to be bitten. lol, He will ignore them for the most part and will even go up and take a sniff. I praise him for behaving in a calm manner. He will catch a ball from them and do his obedience exercises within 5 feet of them......then they walk away and BOOM...he gets all bent out of shape...... I like what you said about getting help in the first person. The AKC trainers gave me a reference to a behavior trainer...turns out that I trained with this woman a couple of years ago with my other GSD that I lost last year to a heart condition. I do not know her technique but she is coming over this week-end to work with Prince....this should be good....???? Then the club on Monday..... Prince's breeder seemed to be happy with the Shutzhund club when I spoke with her about it. I have the impression that these trainers are fairly well known and active on the board of" such and such."...Not sure what all that really means.............thanks for the posts,,,,
Ruger1
by Slamdunc on 18 June 2010 - 13:06
Your corrections are completely wrong, and making the situation worse. On my scale your corrections are a 2 or a 3, instead of a 7 or 8.
by steve1 on 18 June 2010 - 14:06
You need a Hard Correction the instant your dog does wrong but remember you only give ONE correction never TWO and a verbal command at the same time as the correction,
If you are using a pinch collar on him never pull to the side it has no effect most times you pull Upwards and the instant he goes off so you check him in the act of his doing wrong
Then turn about walk a few paces and come back, if he starts again another hard correction and verbal command Instantly then turn walk back a few paces
Why it takes his focus off the person he is showing aggression to and he knows then by the correction he has done wrong
Stay in the same spot it does not work half as well
Steve1
by TessJ10 on 18 June 2010 - 14:06
Remember, one correction that gets the job done is kinder to the dog than endless nagging corrections hauling his neck around.
Reread slamdunc's posts, and also hexe's post about telegraphing down the leash. It's true that now you probably tense up (could be very subtly and you don't think you are, but you are, and the dog is picking it up). Prince perceives this and says, yes, she's tense, I'm right to be aggressive. As you work on this problem you have to deliberately RELAX when a friendly stranger is approaching, and not tense up in anticipation of your dog's reaction or in anticipation of the hard correction you are going to give.
by Ruger1 on 18 June 2010 - 16:06
Steve....I am hearing hard correction from you and others...your description gives me a bit better of a visual,
but having never seen this technique done I am having trouble putting this into practice. I am not using a choke collar.
Bottom line, is that like Moons stated I need help in the' first person'....I have a hunch that the trainers at this club that I am attending on Monday know how to give a "hard correction" .......I agree with the opinions on this thread that this will be necessary to get his behavior under control. I just wanted to be prepared for what I am going to see.....before I get there.
In the meantime I am having a behaviorist come over tomorrow to meet Prince and she wants me to have chicken treats ready for their introduction.......OH BOY....this should be INTERESTING.....her style is a little different. I do not think she will be using the "hard correction ' technique. I did not see any harm in letting her come assess his behavior. Can you??????????
Thanks to everyone who has posted.....Ruger1
by Bhaugh on 18 June 2010 - 16:06
It sounds to me that during the coarse of your work, the dog thinks that what he is doing is acceptable. Sometimes we bend over and tell the dog "its ok" and pet them or put our hand on them, we are reinforcing their action instead of correcting it. I see this alot when a dog is acting inappropriatly. Owners talk in a soothing voice and tell the dog its ok instead of taking the firm voice and correcting the dog.
Trying to make corrections at this point with a nylon collar is like trying to whip him with a noodle. To Prince the correction is worth the barking and lunging. I hope your behavior friend isnt going to charge you. You really dont need a behaviorist you need to take control.
Like everyone else said I would use a prong collar and let a pro show you the correct way to use it. Keep in mind you will need to change the way you think and remind yourself as alpha its your job to take the lead. Its common to get nervous when people get close because your thinking ahead and trying to counter whats coming. But when you do this, you are setting yourself and Prince up to fail. It might be that Prince will need someone else to train him until you have more confidence to work him yourself. I dont usually recommend this but if you cant do it yourself, its a better alternative than allowing the behavior to continue and completely loosing control of him.
by Ruger1 on 18 June 2010 - 17:06
by steve1 on 18 June 2010 - 17:06
Ruger1
The collar you are using is no good to correct him and i can see your problem you have said it
YOU do not want to hurt him
Sorry but i do not mean to be hard on you but what is the best option, Give the Dog a Correction that he will remember he has had one, or let him carry on the way he is, By doing this you are not doing the dog any favours quite the opposite in fact in the end it will become unbearable for you to take him anywhere plus you will never have a happy dog Get the right collar on him and do what needs to be done
Once the dog complies to what you want of him he will be a happier dog for it and you will be a happy Girl
Do not think by giving him a hard correction that you will hurt him it will make him think a bit but hurt no only for a few seconds but it will wake him up
everytime he behaves well, then reward him with a treat, and talk to him with lots of praise
Steve1
by Ruger1 on 18 June 2010 - 17:06
Ruger1
by steve1 on 18 June 2010 - 21:06
Just take it a bit at a time once he does good at what you want him to do then make that the end for that session do not pressure the dog to repeat it to prove the point later on when you take him out again is soon enough but prasie him each time voice and trears when he does good in a soft happy tone when he does bad a sharp correction, and a harder tone of voice you make and do not pet him, But the most important thing is to correct him only once at a time do not repeat it twice with a correction on the leash or with your voice once only
Steve1
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