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GSD Admin posted,

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No matter, religion sure has a dirty stigma attached to its past. And is likely to have other dirty stigmas attached in the future.

Religion instead of being about love, turns out over the years to be more about hate, control and money."""

Satan himself/herself couldn't have said it better...

Maybe you should read the 10 commandments, better yet follow them...

As far as your Indian relatives (supposed relatives, you have a relative for every occasion) they did their share of scalping innocent women and children...

I think you're a closet atheist...

LOL@ML

This thread has never been about,

"What is so wrong to allow gays to marry and live their lives????

It is why religion(s) prohibit(s) homosexuality/lesbian behavior vs. why modern society and morals does not give a whit.

It shouldn't be a personal condemnation of a person's character to speak their dissenting view, but that does not seem to be the case as actually has happened on this thread.

GSD Admin, in the future when mentioning oppressed groups don't forget "Special Olympics". Otherwise it looks like you don't give a damn about the Kids...

Please share with us what you have personally done to help these various groups. IE volunteer work, donations etc. If you haven't done anything to support them, then you don't really give a hoot and are just exploiting them for false posting purposes IMO.

Please don't donate to the Special Olympics, I've donated enough in the last couple of years to cover both of us.

Now about those slaughtered relatives you keep mentioning, I'd venture to guess you were born after 1950. I'd also guess the last Indian slaughtering was over a 100 yrs before that. So my conclusion is, even if true you didn't even know these people, that they were generations ago. Yet you appear to act like they were close enough to have lived in the same house with you.

That didn't take long! LOL! 

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Ruger1, I am going to take your welcome offer and expand on my opinion!

I think the act is always a choice. The desire perhaps, isn't. I think that is the dilemmna. And so, the new age argument goes—the act doesn't matter. In fact, it never did matter! That is the only one scenario deemed acceptable, or suffer no friends. Something like that.

I think the desire/attraction mechanism is yet to be understood in full. Can it be manipulated once it is understood? That just opens up another can of worms. 

Love is not a guarantee with an attraction. But love does come from God. Where else? 

Ruger, I think Hund was asking if you oppose same-sex marriage.  I think you do, but correct me if I'm wrong.

"As far as your Indian relatives (supposed relatives, you have a relative for every occasion) they did their share of scalping innocent women and children..."

Ah, but why?  I love when people tell half of a story and put a period on it.

I wonder Ruger1, why does that matter what you believe? The laws are there to be obeyed, regardless. I am guessing that is the kind of girl you are!

On another note. Society has moved to the point it believes the myth that love is enough for a legal life-long covenant. It is no longer a way to narrow the odds of maintaining correct paternity. Love, individually defined is enough, even though the facts about love actually lasting through a lifetime, don't quite make it up to the classic literature's ideal of "happily ever after".

Some make it there, true! They are the really fortunate ones, if they still can carry that love. Congrats to Gouda and his wife on their 50th anniversary! .

Just a thought! Wouldn't it be easier to abolish marriage altogether? Who needs an institution any way? Simple! Every single person is responsible for just themselves. If they decide to share their bed, so be it. Never again will any one not have their own bed. What would that world look like... Lady Frost?

I think the act is always a choice. The desire perhaps isn't,

I agree.. I think that is the dilemmna.

That is what is at the heart of the misunderstanding on this thread, but why should it be a dilemma?

And so, the new age argument goes—the act doesn't matter.

Every age is a new age, we advance incrimentally, daily.  There's nothing new about homosexuality, the Roman Catholic Church once had the tradition of a male/male ceremony, blessed by God.  Most cultures, at one time or another, accepted homosexuality as a part of life.

In fact, it never did matter! That is the only one scenario deemed acceptable, or suffer no friends. Something like that.

I cannot, for the life of me, understand why this concept is so difficult for you and others to grasp, nobody is asking you or anyone else to become gay.  The only thing the LGBT community is asking for is the respect to live their lives as they see fit, as productive, caring, law abiding members of society, being able to walk in the door of their home and be greeted by the person they love, without having to hide it.  Gay people exist, they may not be the majority, but they never will be.  That doesn't mean they don't have the same rights as everyone else and the only objection to them obtaining equal rights is religion.  I'm sure there are Atheist homophobes, but they'd be the minority of the minority and who listens to Atheists anyway? LOL.  The vast majority and the only vocal majority against same-sex marriage, has its roots in religion, period.

Now this is the part that none of you seem to want to understand.  Gay people exist and you don't deny that, you can't deny that.  That you don't agree with their "lifestyle" is fine, you have that right.  But you cannot force them to be quiet, to be kept in the closet, to be given second-class status as US citizens.  If you want to shun them in your church, that is your right and you also don't have to invite them to your home.  But when you meet them in the public square, you should treat them as you would any other citizen, with respect.  You seem to want to own the public square and you just can't grasp the concept of equals in that space.  You always want to be the bullies of the majority and deny rights to anyone who isn't you and yours.  That's nasty, it arrogant, it's self-righteous and it's oppressive.  And when you are told that you don't have the right to oppress others, you cry persecution, because you aren't allowed to persecute.  It makes not one bit of sense.  If your opinions didn't guide legislating against equal, civil rights, nobody would have a problem with it.  When you are proposing passing laws that are based in religion and not "common law", specifically to deny equal status to American citizens, you are disreagding the Constitution in more than one way.

People get upset because oppression is something that is anti-American and you all do it while waving the American Flag and beating people over the head with your bibles.  You bee, in particular, do not Bible thump, but you certainly approve of and champion it.  Separate is not equal and it's about time some people stopped acting like spoiled brats and allowed everyone else to live their lives as they see fit too.

When you're oppressing people and/or championing those who do, you are no friend to anyone.  So suck it up, buttercup!