Who is in favor of using the TOS as the rules in OT? - Page 5

fawn that is basically what I was saying.  GSDadmin had said earlier that he wished people would not hide behind made up names and I said that it starts at the top.  What example do they set.

Fawn,

I have tried the 2 name approach and every new name I signed up it became obvious by my opinions that it was me. Then I had those complain it wasn't fair for an admin to have 2 names. People are going to complain about me because they don't like me from my SP days. I figure use GSD and just own what I write. I didn't come to this conclusion when I first started but over time we all change.

It isn't up to me to decide if anyone uses a real name or not. For the sake of the forum at times yes I WISH all member names were real names. BUT this is the internet and there are whacked out people out their so I surely can understand why a person wishes to stay anonymous.
 

Treat the Admin part like a job.  Only use it job related.   Never use it to voice a bais opinion.

For those that complain, explain the difference.  If they still complain, and the admins stand that they only use it for the job..... It is the complainers issue.  Not yours, Oli's, or the sites.

The other key is to never ever threaten "admin" intervention under your user name.  If an admin has an issue as a regular user, they should take it up with anther admin.  The other admin should resolve as warranted.  Never resolve your own admin issues.  Too easy to look bais and unfair.

The other key is stick to the TOS, no matter what.  If someone has an issue with something in the TOS, have a clear procedure for addressing.  One that Oli, as the site owner, has the final say on any  TOS changes.

These are just suggestions.  Something needs to change as the site is loosing too many good and helpful people.  

Is the site losing these helpful people, or are they getting banned?  Just to put an end to rumours.  Has Slamdunc, Pirates Lair, Beetree to name a few, been banned, or are they just tired of this place?

Lets see when Pirates lair goes on a public forum here and calls admins bitches, cowards and other not so nice things I am pretty sure you know what will happen and so did he but this is it in a nut shell isn't it Red. YOU do not know all the reasons why those members are not here you only know what you are told, now don't you?

I gave all the people you listed so many chances and they felt they didn't have to follow the rules. I/we didn't have to give all those chances and it is clear I erred in doing so. So, it won't happen again, those members and others ruined all members getting multiple chances to come back.

So, members should be able to get into the admin forum and then use that info to stoke up other members and we should just stand by and do nothing for fear that they have dog knowledge and to get rid of them would somehow be detrimental to the site? I submit that it was way more detrimental to let them back or keep them here. Then when we said we would let them back they continued at every chance to slam on this site, the admins and even Oli all for their own selfish needs.

If a member is told repeatedly to stop going into the dog forums and attacking members that is okay because he/she is your friend and we should just look away because the member figured out long ago that if they make tons of friends and surround themselves with friendly members it would somehow insulate them from the admins banning them.

Maybe we are losing people because they don't seem to be able to control themselves and want to listen instead to other members that send PMs in the background to all who will listen, to continue to goad admins into arguments which BTW we take as baiting admins. And we are working on playing the minus game with that particulate member because doing nothing at this point has become obvious it doesn't work.

For the record I abstain from making decisions on those I debate, been doing that for years. Oli gave me the right to change the TOS because I wrote most of it with the help of a few other admins. Oli doesn't have the time nor patience to deal with the members here. I have also in 3 years only made a few tweaks to the TOS so it is not like I am changing it on every whim that comes along to suit individual cases.

Lets look at this thread which BTW will soon be locked because people can't just give a single answer to a straightforward question without adding their own drama to it. This thread was my way to let those who use this forum be involved in the decisions that are made here that affect this forum, it will never happen again. When a change takes place members will not be asked to have any say in those changes. Because then members think they can put us on the spot by asking why members were banned. Trying to say more or less that members were somehow not at fault for their own actions and instead trying to lay the blame on the admins. Maybe if you ever get out of high school and quit listening to rumors and gossip and then repeating those rumors and gossip as facts, you would have a clearer picture of what really happened or better yet write an admin to address what high school rumors you have heard today.

All the members listed above did multiple multiple things and were given chance after chance to change instead they and they alone made decisions that in the end affected those members and now they have their little proxies left to fight their battles that they themselves created and of course the good little sheeple followed right along.

None of you know all the instances that brought on the bans you only know what the high school rumor mill has provided you and like good little puppets you follow right along. My resolve will not change, no matter how many of you run at the admins or me to start more stuff, you are stirring the shit and being played for fools, not the admins. I have known for some time that a member has done this exact thing, every chance they get to pull strings they take advantage of it and it has to be stopped as they are like a cancer to this site and are actually the ones fanning the flames that in the long run drive people away.

Admin, I think Fawndallas  has some good suggestions in her post ^^^

Leaving dual role / idents aside, however,  your explanations are getting a bit

too complex for many of us to grasp.  Some of this history clearly goes back  quite

a long time, to events you were involved in as "Sock Puppet",  when a lot of us

did not even read this board much,  let alone post on it.  So we don't really 'identify'

with some of the examples  you are giving - although there are no doubt some longer-

term members who do recognise these events.  It is beginning to sound as though

you are accusing newer people of being planted by some individuals  who've been

banned ... and although you clearly do not think that is everybody on here now, it

isn't a nice accusation when put so broadly.

As to taking away any future chances to be consulted on changes,  it feels really

unfair on those of us who appreciate those opportunities,  to be told we cannot have

them any more, thanks to the activities of a few idiots, when its not even completely

clear what those activities are / were.

For me to go into every detail of what happened is beyond what I am willing to do.

The people who are doing the things mentioned above know who they are and it would be extremely unfair of me to name them and what exactly they are doing. And who they are doing it with. And yes, unfortantely a few members have ruined it for all. It happens and is happening right now. We have enough evidence to remove the offending member at this very moment but we are waiting on all the admins to respond to the problem because unlike what is portrayed here and in PMs, I will not vote on what is going to happen because I am far to close to make a completely unbiased decision. Funny I recognize it and it is our protocol to not let admins decide things they are involved in, in any way shape or form. But hey the rumor mill just keeps on churning out these things to help the situation out because they (the rumor mill) are just such great members.

While it may seem unfair to those that have no clue what has happened in the past, the people who are involved know exactly who I am speaking to and what I am speaking about.

Just for those who may not have the whole story. Please read this and look at who is supporting who and who isn't. This thread explains a lot of what happened and is very telling when read after all these years. For those involved and those still involved in sneaky high school rumors, you still haven't changed now have you?

https://www.pedigreedatabase.com/forum.read?mnr=422308-retraction

How hard is it to say "no cussing"; clarify cuss words and context; and enforce?  If a grievence is to be reported, a screen shot of the offense is to be provided.   That way if the offense is removed there is still the screen shot.

Still amazes me how people cannot express disagreement in a civilized way.   Oh well.  I will continue to use the site to my best ability and stand by the phrase "take everything with a grain of salt."