Dog aggression (opinions on what working lines are known for it ?) - Page 3

thanks YR and moderator for helping me alter Title thread to make more clear.

You must know the dog and know the handler. A dog who behaves aggressive around other dogs might have a handler who actually promoted the behavior [ unintentionally or other wise] Enviroment is very important as pups abused by older dogs become defensive more often than pups raised with tollerant dogs. Know more about the dog before you decide 

Dog aggression is also WIDELY misdiagnosed. I can't tell you the number of times someone has said a dog was DA and I haven't had the same experience, or I see them with the dog and understand it. Often, it's the guy who chokes up on the leash and crosses the street every time they see someone else with a dog coming, then he says his dog is DA when he flips out after being practically begged to do so. Or the fence fighter...that dog is not (necessarily) DA. It may be either territorial or simply bored, lol. 

I got 2 calls about my E litter being dog aggressive. Now, I raised those puppies a long time. There was no dog aggression. One of them, I didn't sell until he was almost 5 months old and he was best buddies with Winston, my Chihuahua. Now, I hear he wants to kill small dogs. Well, I find out this deduction came about because of how he acts behind a fence toward the neighbor's little yapper, and the wife is literally almost on the ground on her knees holding him back. What does a strong puppy do when you pull it back as opposed to correcting it?

Second case is almost the exact situation as described with the guy walking and choking up on the lease. Thankfully, someone saw that and called him out on it and guess what? No more problems! Same friendly puppy on a loose leash. 

My long winded point is that to start pointing the finger, you must have GOOD evidence of TRUE dog aggression in certain lines. For me, it's a dog who simply wants to kill other dogs and will go out of its way to do so, not a dog who will fight if given the opportunity, or a dog who acts like it wants to eat other dogs when it's crated, etc. I do not tolerate dog aggression whatsoever, but I am very thorough in determining if it's really dog aggression, so as not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. 

Bosco is dog aggressive as are all but one of his male siblings (repeat breeding so two litters). He is controllable and can easily be worked off-leash around other dogs but he understands that dog aggression isn't allowed. Humourously, when my husband showed Bosco at a SV show last year, Bosco was the only dog that didn't rage at the other dogs in his class. However, I agree with other folks that DA is a pain in the ass and I would prefer not to have to deal with it.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=1818025-bosko-tru-pracovani

I´m with Jenni - true dog aggression isn´t that common ( it´s no fun ).
In my personal opinion a male trying to submit other males without harming them seriously, and stopping as soon as the other male is lying on the ground, is not dog aggressive but dominant - normal behavior in dogs.
A dog fighting "for real", trying to kill, not willing to stop as soon as the other dog is showing signs of submission, is dog aggressive - big difference.

This kind of dog doesn´t know when to stop, and that´s a serious lack of social behavior (might be nature, might be nurture, might be a combination of both).

Interestingly, as hard as our old dogs were (Gildo, Olko etc), they lived with 5 other males in the house and no crating over night.

 

No doubt enviorment upbringing training etc, can all have a very big influence on how a dog turns out latter in life, but the ones I,m referring to are not the ones misdiagnosed,not the ones raised  or conditioned wrong, I,m only talking about the ones born with it hard wired their genes,the ones that have  never ending quest to quench their thirst for blood and to fight hell bent on fighting OVER  chasing a ball they love or anything else in life ,and I agree you cant toss the baby out with the bath water,some of the excessive DA dogs I have run across tend to spring form the better known producing tough,better nerved,high courage,hard,high drive dogs and I know if I mention one dog that shows this in my veiw I will hear from  6, 7, or eight people who say they have a close ped to the one I,m personaly looking at and their dog does not show that kind of behavior,my point being you just never know and I,m glad it does not pop up in working lines more freqeuntly than it does, I would hope though that no big or small working dog breeder would choose to bring a Sire and Dam together that shows a high tendancy for this or has a more than a normal  freqency of it showing up in past pedigrees of such type of dogs. For me a dog that shows neutrality or friendlyness toward other dogs is idea without loosing any prey drive or otherwise. CLEAR HEADED  ShepHerd  DOGS ROCK !

To Erbe   Gildo what an awesome producer.  To Bob Mckown on your Holly Bleuhaus female out of Candy, I thought Candy was an awesome producing female I owned a half sibling of your Holly once such a fantastic  female. In fact the picture in avatar pic you see with my user name in the half sister of your Holly, what a water dog, never seen such a dog that would swim so far out into a lake for the shear enjoyment of it.

I have seen a lot of dog aggression in Mink/Crok. I have a female that is extremely female aggressive. She has Mink on top and Xito Meineiche on the bottom.

Thanks for feedback firefly exactly what kind of reporting I,m trying to hear from,if any patterns or trends can be found we all have to help each other so we can all be breeding a better sound solid german shephard.