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mentayflor

by mentayflor on 03 June 2012 - 23:06

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOs_rFzq9PY&feature=relmfu 

 what do you think about this way to train this doggy?, since the owner (and trainer) got her (at 2 month old), begun to train her, now she is 5 month and he begun using the sleeve. I believed the trainer should not put the sleeve but it is necesary a helper to do this job. In addition I think she even isnt old enough to beguin a formal obedience training wich should be before, although I think at least  it could be good to practice beatwork
But as i not a specialist I wonder what do you think? 


Hired Dog

by Hired Dog on 03 June 2012 - 23:06

At 5 months she is more then old enough to be doing OB training. As far as the bite training, its typical of teaching a young dog the fundamentals of biting in PREY/play. The dog is not biting in defense, its a game she is playing with her handler.

TingiesandTails

by TingiesandTails on 04 June 2012 - 01:06

way to early to put her on a sleeve - she is still teething and the sleeve is only teaching her pain and at best a wrong grip....just my opinion...

mentayflor

by mentayflor on 04 June 2012 - 02:06

Besides she obeys the order of the man who has the sleeve , is it good? I think it is confusing for her, she shouldn't respect the person who has to bite  , is it good?   ii         


LOVE THY SHEPHERD

by LOVE THY SHEPHERD on 04 June 2012 - 03:06

  IMO  I would not have the same person training and as a helper.  Yes it is confusing to the dog.  Bitework at
 that age should wait.  Just do drive building and some obedience.  Use a flirt pole etc. to keep up her drive.
 Probably still teething at this age.

VKGSDs

by VKGSDs on 04 June 2012 - 14:06

^ I agree.  I don't put on protection gear and work my dogs in protection nor to I let my helpers/decoys do obedience with my dogs (well I don't really let anyone but me do any sort of training with my dogs).  To me protection is not about teaching a dog how to bite or "grip" (that is genetic) and not just about prey or fun and games.  The helper should be tapping into prey and defense as well as bringing out power and aggression and fight.  For me to do that to my own dog would introduce too much conflict, plus I firmly believe that in protection work (whether it's SchH or SDA or PSA....) we are a team, so I can't physically be in two places at once.

by magdalenasins on 04 July 2012 - 20:07

Doesn't matter, she is in prey, barking and playing tug with a pillow not in defense...

by duke1965 on 05 July 2012 - 04:07

for the dog it is the same if you give her a ball or a tug or a pillow, its a preygame to her, without pressure you can do this from day one

Peter Cho

by Peter Cho on 05 July 2012 - 18:07

You just taught a helper is a fun guy. Fantastic. Prey game. Wait a year. Listen to the bark in the blind. Maybe it may even prey jump 4 feet in the air as it barks! More problem. Helper is a dangerous foe. You imprint that from around 13 months on.....balancing both prey with defense. This is at its core what makes Schutzhund different than ring. Helper with a whip.....with a sleeve, even a puppy sleeve, should never ever be a prey game. A helper creates conflict with NO movement. That is the goal of the training......cause guess what they do in a trial? Helpers just stand still. Conflict through the roof! Attack with stick! Dog bites and conflict stops...as long as it pulls perfect. That is why Schutzhund is a team sport and ring, more of an individual sport. I would join a club and do it right.

afwark15

by afwark15 on 07 July 2012 - 02:07

Didn't watch the video, just commenting based on the previous comments...

There are many trainers out there who work their own dogs in protection, simply because they don't have anyone else. Not the most ideal situation, but with some dogs it can be successful.

Ivan Blabanov, 2 X world champion does his own helper work, on his own dog.

As puppies, protection work starts as a game. putting too much pressure on a puppy can lead to avoidance issues, etc. Playing tug with a puppy even though you are the handler is perfectly fine. building drive out of prey is a good way to work puppies...the seriousness that comes with defense comes with some maturity.

Amanda





 


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