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apple:
"Something is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it."

Prager Hans:
"My point exactly"

Joan, Gustav
in the breeding i have none of experience.
as a buyer - only one, last dog was purchased, thus i'm not experienced buyer as well.
i'm curious what downside of limited registration?
five my previous dogs didn't have any papers and that didn't make them worse than last one with all registration. indeed quite contrary.

Susie your "logic" is not logical.
You are "insinuating" that business has to sell all his pups for top price or he is going to die of starvation and cannot pay bills. LOL.!!!! Some business that would be!!!
Why would someone who makes living on dogs sell or had to sell his pups any more than hobby breeder? I have seen tens of panicky breeders who can not sell their pups. Some can barely give them away. why - no record - no reputation or very little.  If someone is in the business of selling anything and, as you are "insinuating"  has to sell even the lesser product for the same price as the best product, then he is not going to be in business for long. Where a hobby breeder is not going to get hurt if he sells shit for top dollar because when the dust settles he can tell the client to go pound sand. Where a business does not have such "luxury" . if the business would do this then such business would not last that long.

Valk, limited registration means if the dog is ever bred, the puppies can not be registered.
The breeder usually does limited registration to maintain control of the dog even after they have sold it and taken money for it.
If I buy a puppy or dog, I want full ownership....no limited anything.

Pragre: . Where a hobby breeder is not going to get hurt if he sells shit for top dollar because when the dust settles he can tell the client to go pound sand. Where a business does not have such "luxury" .


^^^ Biggest load of BS ever stated!!!! ^^^

Joan, are initial limited registration can't be changed to a full registration, if both parties agree?

Yes, but the breeder usually has demands. If the breeder quits, then no full registration gets signed for.

My point is, when he buy a dog or puppy, I don't wants strings attached. Otherwise, how about I tell the breeder how or when they get to spend or use the money I gave them?

I agree with Hans,
Joanro’s posts are nasty and for whatever reason she is being allowed to behave that way on just about every thread. I suppose every town needs a bully and she’s it.😬

Anyhow,
Lots of talk about the potential for the “big breeders/kennels ” compromising quality to make money to pay bills like mortgages and to buy groceries etc etc ,,,
Honestly I see no difference in the potential for the same in the “hobby breeder” or person who breeds a litter “here and there” to SUPPLEMENT their income and pay for luxuries like vacations, a pair of new boots and such! 🙄

Cuz ones things for sure they are both making money on selling pups,,,🙀
Seems to me hipocriticle to accuse one, but not the other. I’ve seen some folks who are just as serious, if not more so about making their “fun money” as those using their money to pay bills.
Anyone breeding dogs is making a profit, so the potential for both to forfeit something for those monies is present in both!

I own German Shepherds and know what they cost to keep on a yearly basis. If I had a litter or two a year I’d definitely be making a profit lol !!
Seems like some people like to pretend that because they breed only a few litters and aren’t technically considered a “kennel” makes their puppies extra special.. and the quality more superior.
That’s rubbish and everyone here knows it whether they admit to it or not. What makes puppies special is breeding stock with the proper health and temperament screenings and we all here know what that means I’m not going to spell it out. And at the end of the day there is still ZERO guarantee that a product of inferior quality isn’t born anyway.

And one more thing to add, this business about breeders feeling inhibited about making stipulations regarding breeding rights and such ,,, I personally believe it’s the ethical right of the breeder to control that. Joanro says she doesn’t want to be a hypocrite and tell her buyers what to do with the product they’ve purchased ??? Really ? Shame on you especially when you know that most dogs aren’t breed worthy. So is it not your ethical obligation to maintain some control of that as the breeder who brought them into the world?
EVEN if you can’t stop them from breeding if they are determined to do so, I see NO reason for you to generously give your blessings to it  because they used their money to purchase your puppy.🙄

😴now I’m ready for bed! Lol 

 

 

 

 

Ruger, it does depend on what you are breeding for, and what you charge, as a 'hobby' breeder.
Granted that some individuals churn out too many puppies per the one or two bitches they own (by frequent matings); and that they are not looking to demonstrate they can breed 'good' example dogs, but just satisfy the 'pet' market, they may not have great expenses. The conditions they keep dogs in are probably not the best, either.

SOME hobby breeders, however, spend a lot on their dogs and the facilities they keep them in, they Show their dogs, & want their breeding programme to produce excellent specimens of the breed: so will, e.g., pay high stud fees, buy better feed, etc. And pay out & out & out to get all the health testing and so on done.

ALL small breeders are subject to sheer luck as to whether their bitches need caesars, the pups get sick, whatever, all of which can be hugely expensive outgoings to set against puppy income; but some spend much more than others on the dogs and breeding, thus making much less overall profit from the enterprise. Yes, a litter may pay for the odd holiday or a new TV, or something - but would you necessarily begrudge that to someone who was first doing right by their dogs ?

Not all hobby breeders are BYBers, any more than they are large commercial enterprises.

Good post, Hundmutter!
I have imported more dogs from different kennels from Europe/Canada, than most posters have owned and never with limited registration.
I don’t begrudge anyone that breeds with limited registration, it’s just not for me nor does it necessarily represent a quality breeder. It might, it might not. Quality comes from knowledge, experience, and ethics....that can come from limited registration, full registration, large kennel or hobby breeder....likewise I have seen breeders of all these types I wouldn’t touch with proverbial ten foot pole because they are lacking one or more of those three ingredients.