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by joanro on 05 July 2015 - 21:07

Europeans' greed, will they ever stop destroying the lives of indigenous peoples? Evidently not until all have had their way of life destroyed and they've been reduced to government dependents.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-24821867

And its deja vu, as history repeats itself.......again and again for century after century.

' "We are getting Aids and other diseases we didn't know about; young people are drinking alcohol; young girls are having babies. Everything is wrong here," Boitumelo says.
Thousands of Bushmen lived in the vast expanse of the Kalahari Desert for many millennia.
But today most have been moved, many argue forcibly, to government-built resettlement camps far from the reserve. '

by vk4gsd on 05 July 2015 - 21:07

it will stop when nothing is left.


by joanro on 05 July 2015 - 22:07

And the government is forcing cattle herding upon them, same thing that happened to the Native Americans...these people are hunter gatherers, for thousands and thousands of years. 'Till the white man says, 'No, you are now cow herders because WE say so!'

by vk4gsd on 05 July 2015 - 22:07

history is against them, all they can do is try and relax their muscles so it doesn't hurt as much.

the old aboriginal guy that taught me how to hunt was a survivor of a horse mounted killing party, his skin was lighter than the rest of his tribe so the white guys could not kill him, they kept him as a pet, he was just a baby.

 

worked his whole life on a ranch for tobacco, tea and sugar. All he wanted was for me to teach him to drive a "motor car truck", I laughed it off and never got around to it, he died in late 80's.

biggest regret of my life is I never got around to teaching to drive a "motor car truck". He taught me so much and wanted so little in return, I gave him nothing.

 

I did however start a literacy program for his descendents and gave them protection when they tore each other apart on alcohol.


by joanro on 06 July 2015 - 02:07

Australia, like all brit colonized countries, has the stain of genocide and lack of compassion for human life on its government and non indigenous population.
The old gentleman probably wasn't holding his breath for any kindness. It is nice that you are trying to make good for his descendants.

by vk4gsd on 06 July 2015 - 03:07

they were classed as fauna so no harm was done to "people".

Tasmania exterminated every single one of them, used dogs as well to do it.

the military historians have been bickering for decades if the slaughter classifies as an official war, apparently war needs at least two groups that can provide resistance, riding around shooting them doesn't fit the definition of war as some would argue.


Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 06 July 2015 - 06:07

For Joan  and anyone who'd like to learn more about Australian history,

including what was done to the Aboriginal peoples, I just finished a very

good book :  "The Fatal Shore"   by Robert Hughes    -    Vintage;   ISBN

9780099448549.

A hefty read, but informative.


by joanro on 06 July 2015 - 14:07

I read this book, and then watched the movie when it came out in 2002.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit-Proof_Fence_(film)

The propaganda is still alive...denial...this never happened, just like the holocaust never happened. The truth is too disturbing for those who would rather lie.
'The film is controversial as the events that are portrayed appear to distort the history of the treatment of aboriginal children generally. It has been claimed that the children in the film were in fact uncared for, and possibly "running wild" (having underage sex) with whites.[3] Important scenes such as Neville's speech about extinguishing the aboriginal race were fabricated and have no historical evidence.[3] The film is largely based on a book by the protagonist's daughter which says that the girls left voluntarily.[12][13] The film has been shown to many Australian school children as historical fact, with little attempt to analyzed the historical basis for it.[14] The forcible removal of Aboriginal children was quite rare in the early twentieth century, and was almost always done for the benefit of the children.[15] '

Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 06 July 2015 - 18:07

Yes, I've read that too and watched the film ... the Hughes book is

set earlier, right at the beginning of colonisation, and is really about

the whole thing of establishing Oz as a penal colony - another topic

which has suffered denial and distortion.  But along the way, it discusses

the original masacres, the class attitudes, the introduction of alchohol

etc which were perpetrated against the indigenous tribes, and the

financial & political excuses for that.  Highly recommended.


by joanro on 06 July 2015 - 19:07

Thank you, Hund. Got the fatal shore a couple hours ago on Kindle. I rather have the hard copy, I don't enjoy reading ebooks too much...I like the feel of the book, and the activity of turning the page and the smell on the pages. And using a book marker, even if just bending a corner. Haven't started the fatal shore yet, but look forward to it.
The situation with the bushmen and the ckgr is heartbreaking. Seems nothing has been learned over the centuries on how to treat fellow humans who happen to look different than the persecutors.





 


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