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Hello, i´m planing to mate my female.
This is the link. https://www.pedigreedatabase.com/breeding.result?father=480340&mother=658611
I would like to read what do you think about this mating, especially from who is near to Hannibal vom Stieglerhof line.
What´s puppies would be like?. I know there is no mathematic formula for breeding, just guess.
Any advices?
Thanks.

https://www.pedigreedatabase.com/breeding.result?father=480340&mother=658611

The intended father for this mating may have gone VA1 in Mexico, but your female has NO titles and NO hip and elbow scores listed. She also has apparently been bred already.

What did you think we're going to say?    Is this mating REALLY going to do anything for the breed, or are you hoping to sell puppies just based on the sire's accomplishments?

Also, both the female's sire, dam AND grand-dam have fast normal hips, and the line er, INBREEDING on the pedigrees is far more than I would think wise.

Dam: Tosca vom Erstsen Platz:  http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=658611-tosca-vom-ersten-platz

Sire: VA 1 MEXICO Cody Angelbaum http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=480340-cody-angelbaum
 

Line-breeding - 5 generations on this mating

• 4 - 5............................................. in VA8 Huppy von Arlett
• 4 - 5............................................. in V Dasti vom Farbenspiel
• 4 - 5............................................. in V Ulla von Oxsalis
• 4 - 5............................................. in V1 (G) VA1 (SL) Cento vom Monopteros
• 3 - 4............................................. in VA2 Hill vom Farbenspiel
• 3 - 4............................................. in V SG89'01 Xena vom Stieglerhof
• 2 - 3............................................. in VA1(SCH) V14'07 Hannibal vom Stieglerhof

Is just that information about IPO1 isn´t there in pedigreedatabase, hips and elbows are a2 fast normal.
I want keep all puppies in my family and some friends, not thinking about just sell them.
I guess you have some information about this line-breeding, please tell me about it.
Thanks for answer.

Do you understand how linebreeding works?  The closer the dogs are bred, the more the chances of recessive genes popping to the surface. These genes are normally hidden, and that allows harmful or even lethal genes to lurk in the pedigree. Generations of scientific experiments have shown that breeding too closely results in decreased lifespan, decreased litter size, increased stillbirths, and an increase in problems such as allergies, immune system problems, malformations of various body parts, etc. etc.

IMO, the German showlines are FAR too inbred (look back and see how many times certain foundation dogs like Palme and :Uran pop up in your dog's pedigrees!) and great care needs to be taken to not breed too closely. The SV refuses to let breeders breed closer than common ancestors in the 4th or 5th generations (i.e., 4-4 or 5-4, 5-5) The prospective pedigree for these two has several dogs that are up closer than that, even 2-3 on Hannibal!

Sun

Sun - - well said!

Sorry but do you really think that we would think your just going to breed these dogs to have puppies to share with family? I read that and went

 Yes sunsilver, i know how it works the line-breeding, i guess you don´t like this kind of breeding, but german sheperd was made in this way.
I can understand your concern actually, it wasn´t my intention make you mad.
i just wanted a point of view from who has worked in this line-breeding.
Thanks for answering any way.

Sitasmom - - well support for sunsilver!
Thanks for answer. Best regards.

Bhaugh, i´m saying that is not my main intention. But course if there is any one interested...
I want to share with my family some of them, depending how many puppies will be cause i want to have them near from me, for future. I really want to see how they grows up.
I haven´t enough space for all of them.
Cody is the best bite in México, 2 times mexican champion, comes from Hill vom Farbenspiel temperament line, my female too, so that´s what i´ll expect.