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joepetak11

by joepetak11 on 03 May 2022 - 02:05

Hi, i am a 2nd time Rottweiler owner. And i was informed by my friends saying that first litter if puppies are trial batch and we shoukd purchase a second or third litter from a known sire and dam. What is your opinions guys? Because if everyone went for the second and third, what will happen to the first batch? And i understand that when first time pregnant, the dam is inexperinced, but how it effects the quality of the puppy?

Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 03 May 2022 - 12:05

There are more matings made in any breed between dogs that are being bred together for the first time, than there ever are ' repeat matings', ie between the same dog & bitch for a 2nd, 3rd or more time. This is down to breeder-exhibitors striving always to improve upon what they get each litter, and often paying to use the stud who is 'flavour of the month'; the people who mate two individual animals over and again are usually 'pet' breeders who own both of the parents. Repeat breedings carry no guarantees.

Dog breeding is much more an art than a science; if you are lucky enough to have a good foundation bitch with excellent show points and/or working abilities, and she is healthy, then finding a male who is equally breed-worthy can be hard work, in the first place, whether you also own him, or go elsewhere. Even then, it is STILL a gamble: the offspring they produce for you are a crap-shoot - you may get several (rarely all ! ) really good puppies, but just as often you won't even get one you could really say is the 'bees knees'. That being so, there is no reason at all why a second mating between any couple of dogs should prove any better or luckier than the first litter.

Assuming good breeding habits - not using animals that are too young, or unhealthy, or not well matched in quality of ancestry, or otherwise less suitable - the first litter isn't some sort of 'trial run' for the next. A first litter that contains mediochre specimens will not suddenly lead to a second litter full of potential champions.

An immature bitch shouldn't be bred from; and buyers should avoid buying pups from immature bitches.

Inexperienced breeding may well result in the female producing less good puppies if she herself is inexperienced, but it does not always follow. Provided she is physically up to sustaining a pregnancy & whelping properly, the raising of the pups will depend on her abilities as a mother, and that is not always determined by age or experience, or even sometimes health & fitness; its more about personality and confidence. A less well-raised female will probably not be a relaxed mother. But either way, she is likely to do the same by each subsequent litter she has, whichever dog fathers them.

 


joepetak11

by joepetak11 on 03 May 2022 - 20:05

Thank you so much for the clarification. I appreciate your time and input in this matter.

Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 04 May 2022 - 02:05

The human input is important, too, Joe. If a breeder of a litter you are considering a pup from has clearly not put plenty of effort & concern into that mating and the subsequent rearing of the litter, run a mile !  You asked about what happens to dogs from a (first) litter that maybe are not sufficiently good looking, or healthy, or temperamentally sound ? Same as dogs raised in any litter, [could be the sixth or more from a puppy-farmed bitch,] - they sell, but half of 'em end up in shelters by the time they are 2 years old.  Best way not to perpetuate that situation is to do your 'due diligence' / research, KNOW how good the breeder is, what you should expect from a healthy, happy, good-natured pet or working dog - and not buy if you are not sure.

Too many people buy a pup from a situation their gut tells them is wrong, just to 'rescue' the puppy from poor conditions ... but that simply creates  space & money for the greeder to produce the next litter to make money off. 

And only listen to friends about dog matters when you KNOW they know what they are talking about !  Good luck, hope you find a nice pup.


joepetak11

by joepetak11 on 04 May 2022 - 04:05

Thank you Hundmutter, glad i asked in the correct platform when i was in doubt. Yes i’m doing a thorough check regarding the breeders and lineage before i choose the right one for my family. Feel much relief after understanding these inputs. Thanks again my friend.

by GSCat on 14 May 2022 - 13:05

Post pix when you get your puppy!

by Diamondgal on 15 May 2022 - 17:05

If the pairing hasn't bred before - it's a mixed bag of nuts. IF the pairing of the dogs HAVE bred before BUT not to each other - it's STILL a mixed bag of nuts with the only difference being what each dog has previously produced.

For example: Many years ago, I bought a proven brood bitch who had produce at least one litter in Germany; she produced a solid working litter of eight. Out of the eight, only one- ONE pup was docile. This is one of the many reasons why I bought her. When I brought her over to America, she produced two litters for me. Both litters were solid working and HARDCORE, stubborn, pigheaded (the kind ALL the books tell you how the breed truly is!) where you have EARN the breed's respect, loyalty, & trust BEFORE they'll listen to what YOU want them to do.

That was the ideal working dogs I produced. I didn't want blindly obedient dogs. I wanted to be challenged in training. WHY? Because not everyone can have a "Lassie" in any or every breed. So, get the breeds/dogs who are going to TEACH YOU what works for them but not other dogs - you'll learn two things: a.) Patience to a new degree. b.) How to teach different techniques unique to that dog.

joepetak11

by joepetak11 on 15 May 2022 - 23:05

Hi Diamondgal, Thank you for your reply.

I bought him home a month ago with much caution (sorry i couldnt upload photos, im not familiar how to).

In a month, he is a life changer for us. The same character as you've mentioned, stubborn and hardcore but real solid. Now the hard part still awaits, to earn the respect, loyalty and trust. Will get there eventually i guess.

by Diamondgal on 16 May 2022 - 16:05

Welcome!

Yes. It will take time. But keep the training sessions short (fifteen minutes max) and fun, as well as interesting and challenging. You should be able to see the inner works of the mind. Basically, when you ask the dog to do something, the dog should have the thoughts of "Why do I have to do this? What is it the human wants me to do and why? What will be my reward?"

joepetak11

by joepetak11 on 17 May 2022 - 20:05

Yes, i do ten minutes sessions and followed by ten minutes free play. Mine is a treats junkie, without the treats in hand, he will do nothing ;)
I am just a little worried with his jumping because scared it will effect his bones. Other than that, he is doing very well for a 13 week old.





 


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