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I have recently seen an advertisement where I live for some GSD puppies. However, to me it seems like the pedigree is fake becuase the puppies are around 1 1/2 months and the sire advertised is only a little older than a year. IS it possible for him to have been the sire? And also the person advertising the puppies was found to be forging pedigrees a few years ago.

And other thing, I am taking my GSD to have his hips X-Rayed tomorow and was wondering if there's anything that can affect it? He has recently been on antibiotics and he is also taking ear drops? Could any of this have any affect on the results?

And one last question? I am considering sending my GSD to be attacked trained, which will mean he will have to go to another city for a month? I have a few concerns though, will his temperament change(because at the moment he is very friendly to my three other dogs and to my family) And also, does anybody have any idea how he will react beause he has a very strong bond with me and he gets on very well with my family and he is also very close with the other dogs, could these bonds be loosened by his time away? Won't he forget me in a month because i won't be able to visit him as the city is very far away.

I know nobody will be able to give a definite answer to how he will react because none of you know him but any thoughts are welcomed. Thanks in advance.

Henry.

1. Stay away from that guy. It is possible but to let such a young dog to mate tells you a lot about the breeder.

2. No efect  whatsoever.

3. He should not change and he will not forget you. He might have slight problems parting with you but he will  overcome it.

Just one caution about the training. How well do you know the trainer?  I've heard of numerous cases where the dog was sent away to be trained, and came back a bag of bones.  I would make sure I got references, talked to people who know this trainer to make sure he's good. I'd even go to his kennel, and watch him train, to make sure his methods were sound.

As for the guy with the litter? If he's forged pedigrees before, stay the hell away from him! Yes, as said above, the male COULD be the sire, but no reputable breeder will breed a dog that young, before its titled, OFA'd, etc.

the above advice is the same as I would say.  What alarms me is the training side of things.  You say "attack training".  Do you, by this, mean personal protection?  I hope so.  A dog that is not fully qualified in the art of being controlled BEFORE he is taught that he can defend...... big problems.

go to a reputable school yourself, and put in the work.  Do basic obedience - you will get it done quickly if the dog has a good bond with you as you say - then go on to a higher level, this should be easy with a reputable trainer, and then protection work yourself.  Not sure where you are situated, but I can recommend in the UK.  Others on this board have much kowledge around the world, so perhaps say where you are and begin to ask for reputable establishments if you want to do it yourself, and more importantly, if you want to send yur dog away for it to be done.  I wish you luck.  Mo... mascani.

FYI the phrase "attack training" is improper terminology and will set off bells and whistles to anyone educated in personal protection or schutzhund.  If the trainer you are using uses that phrase I'd go in the other direction, there are too many crack pot trainers out there...be careful!!

IMO you should do this training WITH your dog.  Especially if you are training for personal protection.  Schutzhund being more of a sport with coreographed routines allow's one to "send" their dogs away...but for personal protection....wouldn't the dog need to also learn what he's supposed to protect?

Henry,

Q#1 Yes it is possible

Q#2 I dont think so but ask the vet or tech doing the X-ray,  is your dog two years old?

Q#3 I agree with GSDfan, sounds like your getting ready to step in it bigtime.  I completely disagree with Kenan!

Your dog would never be the same.  If your trainer is talking about attack training dont do it!   If your wanting to have the dog trained to attack in a home invironment around nieghbors then please give the dog to someone else. 

If your in the USA your in for a legal nightmare should your dog actually attack someone, courts consider it a loaded gun.

You should consider what your intentions are and rethink this plan.  

I think all questions/concerns are addressed here, but for the sake of good PR for our favourite breed, why would anyone want an "attack-trained" GSD? That is a very poor choice of words considering this is a public website.

For 99.999% of people, the correct type of protective GSD is one who looks the part and will stand his ground and bark menacingly without engaging. As someone said the other day, essentially "the 44 Magnum Water Pistol." If you need true personal protection-purchase a sidearm, preferably a 12-gauge semi-auto shotgun and become an expert in its fast deployment.

Dogs who are wholly unsuitable for any other purpose can be trained to be offensive dogs, and this does not make them a dog that one should own! A well-balanced, well-bred, and well-socialized GSD should have the innate and natural desire to protect his family and home by being alert and vocal at all times, without having to be concerned that he'll snap the face off a neighbour without any provocation.

Regards,

Bob-O

Totally agree with Bob-O and others regarding the "attack" training.

Heck, insurance is hard enough to get when you own a GSD!

I've been into GSD's my entire lifetime and one thing I've learned over and over again...people are more afraid of a German Shepherd (if by nothing more than their appearance) than any other dog out there!!  Dobies, Rotties, what have you. 

Honestly, I don't want mine to bite.  I want them to warn me (so that I can arm myself if needed), call the authorites, etc.  And, I want them to tell the intruder that they just sounded the alarm.

Almost all of the people I've come upon have real reservations about entering a property with a GSD but, those same people do not generally feel them same with the other "aggressive-labeled" dogs.  Never did understand that but hey, it works.

No such thing as  "Attack trained"   You need to drop that description from your vocabulary....get you in a whole lot of trouble.......None of us on this board      Attack train a german shepherd......you need to seek other avenues of knowledge before you do any other training......

 Yellow Rose is correct.  Anyone who is offering to "attack train" your dog is simply offering to abuse the hell out of it, first thing.  I have seen this guard dog training done.  Let me tell you, if you put a hamster up against a wall and give it no option but to fight for its life, it will bite and attack you, too.  ( I am speaking from experience here:  I did corner a hamster in my kitchen once that had crawled into my apartment via the heat vent.   That sucker hissed at me and  ATTACKED!!)  

 Second thing, you are setting yourself up for huge liabilityfor  having a dog that has been "trained" to "attack" humans.     BAD MOVE.  So bad that it would be criminally stupid.

JMHO