scripture, insects have for legs??? - Page 9

Okay beetree, you want an honest answer?  A "supreme being", whatever that is, would not need the use of tools for any reason.  Other than to make a maze that always comes to a dead end, to watch the rats chew their own tails off in frustration, I can't think of any reason any supreme, loving, benevolent entitity would have for such cruelty.  Is that enough of an answer for you?

Exactly Carlin, that's why it shouldn't be an argument to begin!  If people would live their religions and leave others alone, we wouldn't need to have the discusstion, we'd just respectfully go about our business!

Hundmutter, 

I am glad to have a discussion with you about power. Certainly my question contained the concept of power that the Bible's God, as a creation myth character would be endowed, of necessity. I think you also might have touched upon the concept of assimilation to subdue a conquered people. At least I think you did. I would agree with that, too. However, pinning down the specific power chosen to be that of the spoken word, I was forced to forage for on my own.

I found this Babylonian creation myth, care to peruse it?  http://www.crystalinks.com/enumaelish.html
  
And look what else I found!

In both Enuma Elish and Genesis, creation is an act of divine speech - the Enuma Elish describes pre-creation as a time "when above, the heavens had not been named, and below the earth had not been called by name", while in Genesis each act of divine creation is introduced with the formula: "And God said, let there be...".

 

Gg many of the insects.you mentioned are eaten by humans as a delicacy. now explain rabbits chewing their cud in scripture.

Bee i think you are deliberately dishonest in the way you construct questions.

Travels, 

The story exists. I am asking for a critique of what has already been put down on paper or parchment, or clay, or vellum.  Why do you think "The Word" of any individual is the way to convey utmost power and respect to a ruler? Plenty of creation myths rely on different devices to endow creation dieties their powers. I just took an educated guess for my purposes, and looked at the Babylonian one right off the bat, and found indeed; The tablets include the word of the ruler as being unchangeable and powerful as a cultural idea of that time. 

I find that interesting and sensible. I do think it a clever device in different ways, too. One perhaps that those ancient authors could not perceive when the Bible was written. Those aspects are perhaps the more remarkable ones. 

It's obvious where most of the rituals of Christianity originate, they were nothing new.  From a virgin birth, to a death sentence and resurrection.  It's handed down lore, from one generation to the next.  In certain times, I'm sure some of it was helpful, when they didn't understand the science behind nature and natural occurrences.  I find that interesting in a vague kind of way, but that's the kind of stuff I pursued when I was a teenager.  The conclustions I reached from there are miles apart from fascination at this point.  It's about power, it's about control and it's a wealth, which naturally springs from the first two.

It is all so simple and here we are doing just the opposite.

Actually, that isn't the point Travels, about picking out which rituals were assimilated, and from which creation myth. Even if it was, it certainly is not obvious in the childish way you seem to remember. My point is not a mere fascination. I am merely pausing, to see if there is an interest or an insight forthcoming from any one, really, that I haven't thought of, as yet.

You want to be more specific about this statement of yours, below? I think that your conclusion is rather vague and uninspired, even for a child to compose. How would you , if you were a person with wealth and control, make your very spoken word the most powerful, incontrovertable force? Is that something seen as an unavoidable possibility, if it were true of you, today? Could you avoid that kind of power without having to turn into a recluse? What do you think?

Putin's spoken "word", comes to my mind, as quite unmovable and powerful. Obama, he is the opposite; it is like," uh, uh, hmm...?"  Did he even say something! 
 

"It's about power, it's about control and it's a wealth, which naturally springs from the first two.

Let's make a huge leap, (to no one in particular), then too, as to why or why not a word could have the same or more power as the Old Testament God, (should there be some kind of rapture moment). I think one has to talk about the significance of being physically present, when I am discussing hearing the spoken word. I think that is important to my point. Certainly no such recording devices would have been concieved in ancient times. However, the "being present" part, to see the face of God, if I remember correctly, is significant to the story.