Not a Question of Our Goodness - Page 9

19 And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these sayings, he departed from Galilee, and came into the coasts of Judaea beyond Jordan;

² And great multitudes followed him; and he healed them there.

:)

I'm sure your correct, I don't have my bible out at the moment.
How'd things go to hell so fast?

 

"How'd things go to hell so fast?" 

lol


 

I am hesitant to do this, but, if nothing else, it may illustrate a point.  It's one person's perspective, not necessarily my own, and it is a most informed one.

"Matthew 19:13-15
 He rebuked the disciples (v. 14); Suffer little children, and forbid them not; and he rectifies the mistake they went upon, Of such is the kingdom of heaven. Note, (1.) The children of believing parents belong to the kingdom of heaven, and are members of the visible church. Of such, not only of such in disposition and affection (that might have served for a reason why doves or lambs should be brought to him), but of such, in age, is the kingdom of heaven; to them pertain the privileges of visible church-membership, as among the Jews of old. The promise is to you, and to your children. I will be a God to thee and thy seed. (2.) That for this reason they are welcome to Christ, who is ready to entertain those who, when they cannot come themselves, are brought to him. And this, [1.] In respect to the little children themselves, whom he has upon all occasions expressed a concern for; and who, having participated in the malignant influences of the first Adam's sin, must needs share in the riches of the second Adam's grace, else what would become of the apostle's parallel? 1 Cor 15:22; Rom 5:14,15, &c. Those who are given to Christ, as part of his purchase, he will in no wise cast out. [2.] With an eye to the faith of the parents who brought them, and presented them as living sacrifices. Parents are trustees of their children's wills, are empowered by nature to transact for their benefit; and therefore Christ accepts their dedication of them as their act and deed, and will own these dedicated things in the day he makes up his jewels. [3.] Therefore he takes it ill of those who forbid them, and exclude those whom he has received: who cast them out from the inheritance of the Lord, and say, Ye have no part in the Lord (see Josh 22:27); and who forbid water, that they should be baptized, who, if that promise be fulfilled (Isa 44:3), have received the Holy Ghost as well as we, for aught we know." -Matthew Henry
 

RS,,Remember the liitle children were brought to Jesus, I think it would be fair to assume that the children did not come on their own, but rather brought by a parent or gaurdian.. We should be able to assume that they were brought to Christ by someone, most likely a believer, who believed that Jesus would /could bless them. Again, I never said that no children go to heaven. I said that not all children go to heaven. There is a diffeance. We enter eternity not by way of flesh and blood, but rather by spirit. 

This verse in Matthew is why I chose to have my children baptised as infants. I believe that this verse is a good example of why as believers we should have every hope that God, through His covenant promise, will bring our children to a faith in Christ.. An example would be the tradition the Jews had of circumcising their male infants.The Jews has every hope that the promises afforded to them applied to their children as well.

The Old Testament is still alive and well and there are many beautiful similarities between God's covenant promises with the Old Testament Jews and New Testament Christians.  If I were a believer at that time I would have brought my child as well. Non -believers would have no desire to bring their children to Christ to be blessed . It is my opinion that these chldren where brought by their parents, who were believers in Christ, and it was their hope that Christ would bless their children. I do not see this verse suggesting at all the idea that every single child is going to heaven. 

**You must learn to make appllication of one verse without ignoring other basic principles found in others.

Carlin..How ironic you would post the above while I was typing...lol..

 

Oh god,
more scripture.
Now I know how things wen't to hell so fast.


LOL,
just kiding, I already knew.

Jesus didn't specify, and neither should you. 
I hope my children come to know Him too, but it is still their choice. ( I should add, I believe prayer goes a long way.)

I've said what I have felt I was supposed  to say.
I'll leave the rest up to God.

Moons, I understand why you feel as you do now.
I get so frustrated, however, I have to remind myself God can fight his own battles, and He will.
Peace, I'm outta here. :)


 
 

RS.."Jesus didn't specify and neither should you", ...Did you just say that??...sigh...

We are to interpret scripture, but in it's context and with the support of the whole of Scripture..We don't haphazardly pluck verses out here and there and apply to them whatever makes us feel good and comfy and fuzzy.....This comment is not specifically addressing this particular post, but just your posts in general..BTW we should have the ability draw simple reasonable inferences from scripture regarding something like who and why these little children may have been brought to Jesus ..



 

Perhaps they were to be the entertainment after the crowd thinned out.


Heart of stone?
Aren't you getting a little personal there ruger?
Is this the spirit of your faith?