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by Betta Wolf on 24 August 2012 - 03:08
Awesome post as always KG
by RPKonig on 24 August 2012 - 03:08
"Awesome post as always KG"..........I think I just did a small vomit in my mouth 
by Betta Wolf on 24 August 2012 - 03:08
how'd that taste RP
by Slamdunc on 24 August 2012 - 04:08
Keith,
My position has never changed and I have no idea what you are referring too. Are you referring to one specific thread? Perhaps you misunderstood the point I was trying to convey. I do have a position against non handlers, non officers -- civilians incorrectly commenting on Police and K-9 tactics. I have an issue with clueless people bashing cops and offering "5 non lethal ways" to rescue the wounded cop and dog during a gunfight. I have been involved in shootings, I have tried to rescue a wounded officer who died from his wounds while we took rounds trying to take him to safety. No, my position has not changed. I train our recruit classes on how to work with dogs. Each class I teach I have recruits tell me "I was afraid of dogs until today. I feel so much better being around dogs after this class." I do regular roll call training on how to work more effectively with our Patrol/ Narcotics K-9's. My PD has around 400 officers, I know most of them of them pretty well but not all of them. Before I clear a building I ask if anyone is afraid of the dog, if they say "yes" they stay outside. Before I go on a high risk track at 2 AM for an armed subject I choose who goes with me. I will pick K-9 handler or another SWAT team member first. I avoid taking rookies, unknown commodities or an Officer who may be uncomfortable around dogs with me on high risk tracks or building searches. I work my dog on the SWAT team and have a good selection of Officers that I know and trust to cover me during high risk operations. Being a K-9 handler is the most dangerous job on the Police Dept, far more dangerous than the years I spent as a narcotics Detective. It is not a job that I take lightly.
I find it very interesting that you were posting about raising money and helping to start a K-9 unit in your area. I have read many of your posts bashing LEO's and wonder if you have shared that same sentiment with your local PD? I remember one post where you stated "there are more bad ones than good ones" referring to Police Officers. Did I get that wrong? I did read your post asking me to PM you to discuss the tactics utilized in the first Anderson PD K-9 death. I didn't respond on that thread or by PM because I felt there was no need to discuss Police K-9 tactics or active shooter tactics with you or on this forum for that matter. That is a subject that I will gladly discuss with Officers and K-9 handlers. There are forums I may add my opinion or discuss topics like that, this is not one of those forums. I see no benefit in adding my experience or opinion on topics like that on this forum or with you by PM or email.
My position has never changed and I have no idea what you are referring too. Are you referring to one specific thread? Perhaps you misunderstood the point I was trying to convey. I do have a position against non handlers, non officers -- civilians incorrectly commenting on Police and K-9 tactics. I have an issue with clueless people bashing cops and offering "5 non lethal ways" to rescue the wounded cop and dog during a gunfight. I have been involved in shootings, I have tried to rescue a wounded officer who died from his wounds while we took rounds trying to take him to safety. No, my position has not changed. I train our recruit classes on how to work with dogs. Each class I teach I have recruits tell me "I was afraid of dogs until today. I feel so much better being around dogs after this class." I do regular roll call training on how to work more effectively with our Patrol/ Narcotics K-9's. My PD has around 400 officers, I know most of them of them pretty well but not all of them. Before I clear a building I ask if anyone is afraid of the dog, if they say "yes" they stay outside. Before I go on a high risk track at 2 AM for an armed subject I choose who goes with me. I will pick K-9 handler or another SWAT team member first. I avoid taking rookies, unknown commodities or an Officer who may be uncomfortable around dogs with me on high risk tracks or building searches. I work my dog on the SWAT team and have a good selection of Officers that I know and trust to cover me during high risk operations. Being a K-9 handler is the most dangerous job on the Police Dept, far more dangerous than the years I spent as a narcotics Detective. It is not a job that I take lightly.
I find it very interesting that you were posting about raising money and helping to start a K-9 unit in your area. I have read many of your posts bashing LEO's and wonder if you have shared that same sentiment with your local PD? I remember one post where you stated "there are more bad ones than good ones" referring to Police Officers. Did I get that wrong? I did read your post asking me to PM you to discuss the tactics utilized in the first Anderson PD K-9 death. I didn't respond on that thread or by PM because I felt there was no need to discuss Police K-9 tactics or active shooter tactics with you or on this forum for that matter. That is a subject that I will gladly discuss with Officers and K-9 handlers. There are forums I may add my opinion or discuss topics like that, this is not one of those forums. I see no benefit in adding my experience or opinion on topics like that on this forum or with you by PM or email.
by GSD Admin on 24 August 2012 - 10:08
Jim,
Why must you always disparge this forum but you have a fit when people talk bad about cops seems awful hypocritical to me. A man (Oli) has pored a lot of time, energy and money into this site and you constantly cut down this site but show up almost everyday. You seem to have a double standard. Think about it.
Why must you always disparge this forum but you have a fit when people talk bad about cops seems awful hypocritical to me. A man (Oli) has pored a lot of time, energy and money into this site and you constantly cut down this site but show up almost everyday. You seem to have a double standard. Think about it.
by Ninja181 on 24 August 2012 - 12:08
Ninja I really wonder what I ever did to you other than disagree with your politics.
Nothing Blitzen!
by Blitzen on 24 August 2012 - 12:08
I'm glad to hear that, Ninja.
by Ninja181 on 24 August 2012 - 13:08
I'm glad to hear that, Ninja.
So am I. LOL
So am I. LOL
by Keith Grossman on 24 August 2012 - 13:08
"I have read many of your posts bashing LEO's and wonder if you have shared that same sentiment with your local PD? I remember one post where you stated "there are more bad ones than good ones" referring to Police Officers. Did I get that wrong?"
I don't know; how about you provide a link to it so that we can see what I said in context and whether or not it substantiates the claim you're making. Inasmuch as I have a law enforcement background and a brother who's been a federal law enforcement agent for over 35 years, I'm somewhat skeptical that what I said was as you're presenting it.
"I did read your post asking me to PM you to discuss the tactics utilized in the first Anderson PD K-9 death. I didn't respond on that thread or by PM because I felt there was no need to discuss Police K-9 tactics or active shooter tactics with you or on this forum for that matter. That is a subject that I will gladly discuss with Officers and K-9 handlers. There are forums I may add my opinion or discuss topics like that, this is not one of those forums. I see no benefit in adding my experience or opinion on topics like that on this forum or with you by PM or email."
As you wish but let's get something clear: they're dogs, not Navy Seals. Their training is not rocket science and, in fact, many of them are trained by the, "civilians," you disparage. But hey...way to do your part to help dispel the, "us vs. them," mentality and encourage community/law enforcement partnership.
I don't know; how about you provide a link to it so that we can see what I said in context and whether or not it substantiates the claim you're making. Inasmuch as I have a law enforcement background and a brother who's been a federal law enforcement agent for over 35 years, I'm somewhat skeptical that what I said was as you're presenting it.
"I did read your post asking me to PM you to discuss the tactics utilized in the first Anderson PD K-9 death. I didn't respond on that thread or by PM because I felt there was no need to discuss Police K-9 tactics or active shooter tactics with you or on this forum for that matter. That is a subject that I will gladly discuss with Officers and K-9 handlers. There are forums I may add my opinion or discuss topics like that, this is not one of those forums. I see no benefit in adding my experience or opinion on topics like that on this forum or with you by PM or email."
As you wish but let's get something clear: they're dogs, not Navy Seals. Their training is not rocket science and, in fact, many of them are trained by the, "civilians," you disparage. But hey...way to do your part to help dispel the, "us vs. them," mentality and encourage community/law enforcement partnership.
by Slamdunc on 24 August 2012 - 15:08
Keith,
Here is one comment, there are many more:
"I think that there are alot of great cops that do great things but unfortunately the bad ones overshadow the good."
Because there are more of them.
Your quotes and your response is underlined.
As you wish but let's get something clear: they're dogs, not Navy Seals. Their training is not rocket science and, in fact, many of them are trained by the, "civilians," you disparage. But hey...way to do your part to help dispel the, "us vs. them," mentality and encourage community/law enforcement partnership.
Yes, let's get a few things clear. Working dogs are very important assets to us in Law Enforcement and to the Navy Seals and other Military units. They perform some very critical functions and along with their handlers are often out front leading or clearing the way. I am friends with the trainers of the Seal team dogs and we have adopted some of their techniques and utilize them very effectively. I have not disparaged any civiian trainers, just the keyboard experts on here that lack the knowledge or understanding but still make incorrect assumptions. I do my part every day to encourage the partnership between the community and Police Department in my city. I have done this for years and believe in a proactive Community oriented method of Policing. I was a "PIO" for my PD before I went into Narcotics and for obvious reasons had to stop. I am interviewed on TV and use K-9 Boomer as a good will ambassador to the media. I do demos every week and believe the use of the a well trained K-9 is one of the best ways to foster a strong partnership with the community. Boomer is actually very well known from his numerous times on TV and the thousands of people that have seen him in person "wave" and open the car door to get in. I suppose I have given up on dispelling any myths on this site, especially when those asking for assistance have often been extremely disparaging towards LEO.
I can see why you would think training a dog is not rocket science, after all your dog found his ball in the woods and that is "unfreaking believable"..... I suppose for those that actually train dogs we understand that is a very simple, easy and basic thing for a dog to do. There is no great skill there, especially for a dog that has bitten and played with an item. I could get into why it is so easy for a dog to find his toy. I could also talk about the dog's olfactory senses and the glands in the dogs mouth that transmit odor to the brain where it is stored. Then we could get into scent discrimination and tracking suspects or locating evidence, that is not hours but days old that they dog has never seen or touched. We could compare a dogs olfactory system to the ion scan machines at the airports and discuss how they both work to detect residual odor of explosives. But dog training and what we do with dogs is easy stuff.
I have seen dogs do so much more vital and amazing things under stress that finding a toy although beneficial for you is not all that impressive to me.
Getting back to the original point of my first post; I expected a little more from you than to insult a woman's handicapped son. I thought that was a low blow and I had more respect for you than that. That's all I'm finished.
JMO FWIW,
Jim
Here is one comment, there are many more:
"I think that there are alot of great cops that do great things but unfortunately the bad ones overshadow the good."
Because there are more of them.
Your quotes and your response is underlined.
As you wish but let's get something clear: they're dogs, not Navy Seals. Their training is not rocket science and, in fact, many of them are trained by the, "civilians," you disparage. But hey...way to do your part to help dispel the, "us vs. them," mentality and encourage community/law enforcement partnership.
Yes, let's get a few things clear. Working dogs are very important assets to us in Law Enforcement and to the Navy Seals and other Military units. They perform some very critical functions and along with their handlers are often out front leading or clearing the way. I am friends with the trainers of the Seal team dogs and we have adopted some of their techniques and utilize them very effectively. I have not disparaged any civiian trainers, just the keyboard experts on here that lack the knowledge or understanding but still make incorrect assumptions. I do my part every day to encourage the partnership between the community and Police Department in my city. I have done this for years and believe in a proactive Community oriented method of Policing. I was a "PIO" for my PD before I went into Narcotics and for obvious reasons had to stop. I am interviewed on TV and use K-9 Boomer as a good will ambassador to the media. I do demos every week and believe the use of the a well trained K-9 is one of the best ways to foster a strong partnership with the community. Boomer is actually very well known from his numerous times on TV and the thousands of people that have seen him in person "wave" and open the car door to get in. I suppose I have given up on dispelling any myths on this site, especially when those asking for assistance have often been extremely disparaging towards LEO.
I can see why you would think training a dog is not rocket science, after all your dog found his ball in the woods and that is "unfreaking believable"..... I suppose for those that actually train dogs we understand that is a very simple, easy and basic thing for a dog to do. There is no great skill there, especially for a dog that has bitten and played with an item. I could get into why it is so easy for a dog to find his toy. I could also talk about the dog's olfactory senses and the glands in the dogs mouth that transmit odor to the brain where it is stored. Then we could get into scent discrimination and tracking suspects or locating evidence, that is not hours but days old that they dog has never seen or touched. We could compare a dogs olfactory system to the ion scan machines at the airports and discuss how they both work to detect residual odor of explosives. But dog training and what we do with dogs is easy stuff.
I have seen dogs do so much more vital and amazing things under stress that finding a toy although beneficial for you is not all that impressive to me. Getting back to the original point of my first post; I expected a little more from you than to insult a woman's handicapped son. I thought that was a low blow and I had more respect for you than that. That's all I'm finished.
JMO FWIW,
Jim
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