Question to Two Moons - Page 8

These are personal views, they are not based on religion:

1. A Christian who believes in God, worships him, go to Church etc, does not automatically make him/her a better Christian. If you preach religion and at the same time you steal other's rights, talk bad about your neighbors, see yourself better than your mates, does not help the poor, does not contribute positively to your society, increase the hatred amongst people. Does that make you a true Christian? is it enough only to worship God? I think not.
On the other hand if a person does not worship God on regular basis, does all the good things and minds his/her own business and hurts no one intentionally and is peaceful plus contributes positively to his/her society, such as raising up his/her children in the best way possible and teaches them the good things, isn't this person better than the first one? In my opinion yes this one is much better than the first one even though he/she does not put up the religion mask.

2. No religion is wrong in itself, how we interpret religion is sometimes wrong, God, Jesus and other prophets are not wrong nor liars, it is what we believe was said by God or by Jesus that might be wrong and was never said or taught by them.

3. If you let your heart tell you what to do and choose you will most probably do the right thing, if you start analyzing and turning the angles then most probably you are beautifying against what your heart said first.

4. Is a Muslim better than a Christian, is a Christian better than a Jew? these are wrong questions, the correct question is, is this person better than that one? no matter what the religion is.

5. If a Muslim did something bad, acted out of hate, that means he/she did wrong, not the religion is wrong/bad. Same applies to Christian etc.

6. Is God stupid? No.

7. Is God merciful? Yes

Ibrahim

Gouda, I know what you are saying, and I agree.  The Bible makes it very clear Jesus is the only way to Heaven.
Many things Ibrahim said are true also, but yes, that is one fundamental difference in his religion as opposed to Christianity.

Ibrahim ( although I do not know him personally) exhibits many of the traits of the living God.  Humility, love, honesty, kindness, patience - you name it.  That is why I gave him the thumbs up, because he was willing to profess his belief in God in front of all of the naysayers. 

I understand that there are differences in our beliefs, I respect what others believe even when it is against what I believe in. I think Islam and Christianity share many common values and share many basic concepts.
One more thing I want to ad, among Muslims there are those who understand what Islam is all about and understand correctly what it says, but unluckily they are not the majority. We have extremists in what they believe and teach. In Saudi Arabia people follow (Wahabiyah) which is a group we here in Jordan consider as a hard one.
If you teach a child something it will grow up believing in it and it will be difficult to correct later, very difficult as the child would take it for granted.
I read Quran and read the explanation, no where Christians and Jews are considered Kafer= non believer. In Quran Muslims, Christians, Jews are mentioned and what is named believers is also mentioned. Believers are not connected to Muslims only, believers could be also from Christians and Jews, what makes a believer is his believing in one God.
No where is it mentioned in Quran that only Muslims will go to Heaven, it is always said true believers shall go to heaven. Now I can assure you most Muslims do not understand that.
One day last year my daughter says to me that her Christian classmate invited her to her birthday party but she doesn't want to go. I asked her why not? She says because she is Kafer=non believer. I ask her who told you she is Kafer, she is Christian and Christians are believers not Kafers. She insisted that she is Kafer and that the religion teacher told the students that non-Muslims are all Kafer=non-believers.
I had to go to the school, meet the religion teacher and headmaster and tell them what my daughter said to me and discussed the issue in detail, the religion teacher was directed to not repeat again what she told the children and correct the concept and she obliged as it is not allowed for her to say so by the regulations of Ministry of Education, she consented but she didn't change her belief.
It took several months to convince my daughter that what the teacher said is wrong and not the truth, now she is best friends with that Christian student, but it was really difficult to make the correction.
What I want to say is what we learn as children is very crucial and we will carry it as granted in our adulthood, one should be very careful what a child is taught, only those who very well understand a certain religion should preach it especially to children, many take things for granted because they were taught so as youngsters, some of what we were taught (might) be wrong.

Ibrahim

The last two topics I like to comment on are religion and politics as they are the most two topics people differ on and mostly lead to fights and widening the gap, but there is this last thought I would like to ad here:
There are those believers who knowingly or unknowingly do harm to themselves and to others by preaching in the wrong way which drives others to stand against them and result in saying " I don't believe in God nor Jesus", " I don't believe in God nor Mohammed". This is one of the worst that could be done by preachers and one of the worst preached ones are led to say/claim against.

God says " He might mercy the human on anything he/she does except denying him/his existence", so we should not say there is no God, just give the slightest possibility that there is a God and do not outspeak your denial of his existence so that you have a chance of being forgiven by him/ if he's there.

Human being has limitations, our brain has limitations, we do not understand everything in the universe, if our thinking goes beyond our brain limitations that leads us to many questions such as
Why were we born?
How did this universe come into existence?
Why do we die?
What is God like?
and so on, most of the non-believers are people who think a lot and try to subject everything to logics.

I say you don't have to be perfect, you don't have to be purist, just try to be good and do good, don't think beyond man's limits, don't say there is no God, don't speak against Jesus, do not be a non-believer, don't let any one with incorrect behavior drive you to speak against God, prophets or religion, be smarter and wiser even if you have some doubts,  each of us has some doubts. Just think of think of this: This universe with all the systems in it can not be without control, and there must be someone doing all this controlling and that is God, as simple as that, no matter what you think, no matter what you do he is Merciful, just do not deny him and anything else is of lesser importance to him.

Ibrahim

 God,s experience is unique with each individual. We choose how we interact with our God as individual,s. What works for some may not work for others but it,s the belief in God that gives us grace.


The biggest example of the inability to understand God are those who will stand and tell you "your wrong you don,t love god" or " thats not the real God because it,s not MY God". These people fear to raise there faces and speak with god they only know how to talk at him.


 God loves all creation, He wants us to love each other and respect each others belief,s in how they interact with him.


Man inherently knows right from wrong God just gives us the chance to choose for our self,s these are the things we will be accountable for.  God speaks to us all the time he just hopes we make the right chose on how we respond to him. There is no bigger waste of spirit then to condemn those that think differently because it,s there way or the highway.        

Here is why I replied to Abrahim belief. There is more to it then Abrahim being a nice guy.
http://www.bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm 


  gouda
 

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Gouda,

I just looked at the link you provided, read the first few lines and could not go on, I am not being nice here on this thread I stated a general concept how Islam looks to Jesus and belief in general, I stated some of my personal views and thoughts. I think what is written in the link you provided is incorrect facts, misconception of Islam and prophet Mohammed. I can not understand how a true Christian believer would spread such misconceptions and ill talk about one of the prophets we believe in, in short I will say this gouda, you are the other face of killers who use religion to cover their ill intentions, you are no better than people like Osama Bin Laden who preach hate and act against  the love taught by all religions and civilization. I feel sorry for you, I respect and believe in God and Jesus but I do not respect nor agree with hate and deceipt.

Ibrahim

 Ibrahim:

                   Exactly, Any religion can be radicalized by the fringe. Christianity has has it mass murders as well.
 



 
                                    Salaam ‘alaykum wa rahmat-Allaahi wa barakaatuhu  (If i,m using it propelry)    

                          

                                                                                           Bob 
 

Thanks Bob, we have Some in our countries who easily consider you out of religion and your blood is free because you do not grow your beard, do not wear Islamic costume etc etc, Islam does not say so, they say so, they claim the prophet said so and so when he did not, they lie on what the prophet said because it suits their goals, does that make them right? No they are not, dos that make Islam wrong, no it does not, they are wrong. Do they have the right to dictate how we live and what we believe in, no they don't. They also will not make us hate God or the religion, they only make us disagree with them. Looks like extremists are every where and they are alike no matter what different words they use.

Ibrahim