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by Blitzen on 24 July 2012 - 02:07
Keith. 
by Ruger1 on 24 July 2012 - 03:07
Keith, I appreciate your post. My initial inclination is to address all your opinions and beliefs with all my opinions and beliefs, but from a biblical standpoint, but on second thought I will refrain from the temptation...
You are a thoughtful, well spoken, and educated man. I would like not to get into a full-blown debate with you,lol,,but I would if I thought there was something for us or others to gain by it..This might make good conversation at the Sieger Show this year over a few Washington Apples!...
I like hearing what others have to say about their faith or lack of it..And I like talking about mine..:)
Deanna..
You are a thoughtful, well spoken, and educated man. I would like not to get into a full-blown debate with you,lol,,but I would if I thought there was something for us or others to gain by it..This might make good conversation at the Sieger Show this year over a few Washington Apples!...
I like hearing what others have to say about their faith or lack of it..And I like talking about mine..:)
Deanna..
by BabyEagle4U on 24 July 2012 - 04:07
Well, I believe in God. I should have been dead 1/2 a dozen times now. Lord knows I'm here for a reason. LOL
by vonissk on 24 July 2012 - 04:07
Great posts Keith and GSD Admin. All I wanted to do was get off the Bible thumping and talk about the truth and I am glad you guys came out and spoke the truth. I feel there are very few of us left who can do that anymore. You have brought up many points that I have asked over and over with people and all it did was make them preach more.
I have a friend here who, like most of us, who went through his wilder stages as a youngster. He is now married, has children, a good job and also attends a little country church. One day I was hanging with him at his work and I had this gut feeling to talk to him about some of these things and some other things that have to do with natives and beliefs. Wow we had an awesome conversation and we both spoke the truth and it made me feel better to know it wasn't just me that had these feelings. I said that to say this--I have gotten this same good feeling here regarding some of the things that have been openly and truthfully said. Thank you because now I feel so not alone in my quests............................
I have a friend here who, like most of us, who went through his wilder stages as a youngster. He is now married, has children, a good job and also attends a little country church. One day I was hanging with him at his work and I had this gut feeling to talk to him about some of these things and some other things that have to do with natives and beliefs. Wow we had an awesome conversation and we both spoke the truth and it made me feel better to know it wasn't just me that had these feelings. I said that to say this--I have gotten this same good feeling here regarding some of the things that have been openly and truthfully said. Thank you because now I feel so not alone in my quests............................
by Shtal on 24 July 2012 - 04:07
Keith wrote: If God loves all of His children, has the capacity to forgive all sin and wants nothing more than for all of his children to reside for all eternity with him in heaven, why doesn't he simply do that?
Here is your lack of understanding my dear Keith; God created Men and Women, he made a perfect world so people could live and prosper. But due to disobeying God, Adam and Eve brought death/sin to the world and so through Adam and Eve - death reign upon all mankind as it is written.
Romans 5:12-13
And it is written For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Through Adam is death but through Christ is Salvation. (Hebrews 9:28) so Christ also, having been once offered to bear the sins of many, shall appear a second time, apart from sin, to them that wait for him, unto salvation.
1 Peter 3:18
For every sin that has be committed their has to be sacrifice, you cannot avoid or change a law, it does not matter what may people say otherwise.
Romans 6:23
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though
God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Also, hell was created for devil and his angels but not people, but it was part of the rules he put into nature and to the nature we live in, anybody rebel against him - this is were they go "Hell"
Shtal.
Here is your lack of understanding my dear Keith; God created Men and Women, he made a perfect world so people could live and prosper. But due to disobeying God, Adam and Eve brought death/sin to the world and so through Adam and Eve - death reign upon all mankind as it is written.
Romans 5:12-13
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
And it is written For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Through Adam is death but through Christ is Salvation. (Hebrews 9:28) so Christ also, having been once offered to bear the sins of many, shall appear a second time, apart from sin, to them that wait for him, unto salvation.
1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
For every sin that has be committed their has to be sacrifice, you cannot avoid or change a law, it does not matter what may people say otherwise.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
King James Version 2 Corinthians 5:17-2117 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though
God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Also, hell was created for devil and his angels but not people, but it was part of the rules he put into nature and to the nature we live in, anybody rebel against him - this is were they go "Hell"
Shtal.
by yellowrose of Texas on 24 July 2012 - 05:07
Vonissk"
You actually have posted a true statement in your picture.
THERE is no Death for the BELIEVER>. THERE IS LIFE after death and we pass from this Cruel world into our Heavenly Home, where awaits for us eternity.
We pass from here to there...YOU just posted a truth known to all men who Believe.
YR
You actually have posted a true statement in your picture.
THERE is no Death for the BELIEVER>. THERE IS LIFE after death and we pass from this Cruel world into our Heavenly Home, where awaits for us eternity.
We pass from here to there...YOU just posted a truth known to all men who Believe.
YR
by Shtal on 24 July 2012 - 06:07
Vonissk,
You see God has standards which he made and each human should follow, when Blitzen attacked me with the question.
Shtal, once again I will ask you - why do you feel as if you have to try to influence elections in the US when you are not a citizen of this country? Are you god's ambassador to the entire world? Where do you live? Where were you born? Are there no people in your own country worth saving or condemning to hell?
BTW if you are so interested in the truth, why do you post edited videos of Obama?
I was able to stand-up to Blitzen with exact question!
I said to Blitzen: I will try to respond to your question and give you my answer with exact same logic as yours....
Why do you feel and also people on this board and have tried to influence on others not to breed oversize GSD's. Are you Captain von Stephanitz's ambassador and of the entire world? Where do you live? Where were you born? Are there no people in your own country worth saving them not to breed their dogs or condemning to hell if they breed them.
BTW if people are so interested in the truth, why do people post and edited videos of how German Shepherd dog performs.
You see when people attacked me and corrected me about my oversize dog, but this exact same logic apply's to God's standard which I fight for the truth.
Shtal.
You see God has standards which he made and each human should follow, when Blitzen attacked me with the question.
Shtal, once again I will ask you - why do you feel as if you have to try to influence elections in the US when you are not a citizen of this country? Are you god's ambassador to the entire world? Where do you live? Where were you born? Are there no people in your own country worth saving or condemning to hell?
BTW if you are so interested in the truth, why do you post edited videos of Obama?
I was able to stand-up to Blitzen with exact question!
I said to Blitzen: I will try to respond to your question and give you my answer with exact same logic as yours....
Why do you feel and also people on this board and have tried to influence on others not to breed oversize GSD's. Are you Captain von Stephanitz's ambassador and of the entire world? Where do you live? Where were you born? Are there no people in your own country worth saving them not to breed their dogs or condemning to hell if they breed them.
BTW if people are so interested in the truth, why do people post and edited videos of how German Shepherd dog performs.
You see when people attacked me and corrected me about my oversize dog, but this exact same logic apply's to God's standard which I fight for the truth.
Shtal.
by Shtal on 24 July 2012 - 07:07
John 6:65-69
And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
I would like to say many people on this board example like; Two Moons, GSD_Admin, Keith and could be more, the father did gave them a chance to come to Christ at certain time in their life's since they spoke from their own lips but they left Christ and walked no more with him and Jesus may say to all other christians on this board will you also go away or shall we say exactly what Simon Peter said? to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
Amen,
sincerely,
Shtal.
by Shtal on 24 July 2012 - 08:07
And if some readers on this board don't like my posts, who is more irrational me believing in God that I don't see or anybody offended by the word of God, how could it offend people if they don't believe that God is real.
Shtal.
Shtal.
by Hundmutter on 24 July 2012 - 13:07
OK Schtal - I'll bite: my reasons for "not liking your posts" (although I can't stop you making them!) =
1) I don't enjoy being visually 'ranted @' by anyone who goes on AT LONG LENGTH mainly just quoting
and then re-interpreting chunks of the Bible. I can read it for myself if I so desire, thanks.
2) You are nonetheless almost entirely incapable of making any rational argument for your own
religious position, arising from the chunks of Bible you quote - they are frequently complete non sequitors
to anything said on the board by anyone else, even where you appear to be actively disagreeing with their
post(s).
and (3) You are welcome to disagree with anyone - me for instance - but disagreeing is NOT the same as
ramming "Your Preferred Way ... is the only RIGHT way" down everyones throats, to the point of taking over
virtually every OT thread whether it was actually addressed to something you have said or not.
1) I don't enjoy being visually 'ranted @' by anyone who goes on AT LONG LENGTH mainly just quoting
and then re-interpreting chunks of the Bible. I can read it for myself if I so desire, thanks.
2) You are nonetheless almost entirely incapable of making any rational argument for your own
religious position, arising from the chunks of Bible you quote - they are frequently complete non sequitors
to anything said on the board by anyone else, even where you appear to be actively disagreeing with their
post(s).
and (3) You are welcome to disagree with anyone - me for instance - but disagreeing is NOT the same as
ramming "Your Preferred Way ... is the only RIGHT way" down everyones throats, to the point of taking over
virtually every OT thread whether it was actually addressed to something you have said or not.
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