scripture, insects have for legs??? - Page 6

Look ml when you say facts you assume you exist did i tell you about if there was a guy in jail and you knew he did not do the crime would you shoot all the witnesses in another town to promote yr atheist world view even if you saw s candle burning in another room and the oort cloud proved you don't exist, how would you prove it thou art.

The whole thing is out the window for me, because the bible can't account for dinosaurs.

They taste like chicken

So, if dinosaurs aren't in the bible it makes the whole bible pretty much a lie and it would take an air head a huge leap to believe the rest of it if it couldn't even get the beginning right.

BTW, Shtal please don't try and say dragons because as far as I know the bible never mentioned flying dragons.

How can a word be anything else but a translation without being
present to hear it.


Absolutely.

So, let me get this straight:   the babble is a record of what happened
and what god said to the people on Earth  (translated for the modern
day).  Yes ?   It gives them god's instructions for how 'he' wants them
to live, yes ?   There seems no great purpose in subsequent translators
leaving out great chunks of text,  especially in the case of something
primarily 'practical' (dietary law) more than 'political'  (I dunno, maybe
some of the stuff about chariots & smiteing the enemy !).

Ergo, we can probably assume that those 'instructions' were meant to
guide & inform - as well as direct -  and I submit it would make sense
to expect a more comprehensive list than 'birds including a bat, and
beasts / insects (depending on version read) walking on four feet'. It
ought to have been an easy reference, after all they had Genesis and
what got crammed into the Ark to refer to ...

You, Bee, can argue as much as you like that I am missing the 'true'
point, and Carlin can be as sarcastic and condescending as he likes,
but both of you are relying on the same old cop-out:  when 'the word of
god' is challenged on a practical & logical basis, that is when christians
cite the mystical element, "god can do it that way 'cos he (and only he) can".

But hund, can you pick up logic weigh it and feed it, i think not it is omniscient and omnipotent ind impotent just like god thou art the end in the beginning there was the word so shove that up yr atheist world view agenda can you prove you exist and would words still be wotds if god did not day them do you get period pain then you evil like the women that cursed all of humanity for talking to the snake that god made crawl upon the belly like a ....snake and god doth drowned the whole world and noahs sons doth boink there own daughters and

nieces to repopulate the earth eith the righteous.

Of course if the bible contained some words that remained a complete mystery until successive generations revealed their meaning like printing press, steam engine, mechanised flight, e=mc^2, google, gps, ipad, lady gaga then we would all be on our knees for christ but nope the authors display a bronze aged understanding of science and describe the world as it looked within a 50, mile radius of where it was written....why is that?

Of course if the bible contained some words that remained a complete mystery until successive generations 

 

It does.  Not that I expect a few of you to believe me, as  you seem to be  hardened beyond repair.  God wants us to come to him through FAITH, first and foremost, however, He is pretty clear IMHO when describing the future.

For example:
Back then the mode of transportation was horses.   If they did travel it wasn't far.

The Bible speaks of the end days where people go 'to and fro'  

Back then the information was passed along through word of mouth.
The Bible says, in the end days, the Gospel will be preached to ALL of the nations then the end will come.  Seriously, how could they even envision that happening back then? 
The Bible says two witnessess will preach and then be killed, left to lie in the street for 3 days before they come back to life, and ALL the world will see it.  Well, only our satellite T.V.'s make that possible!

Obviously in Jeremiah's day they didn't get off the ground.  The Bible says there are 3 Heavens, here on earth, in space and then the 3rd Heaven being where God almighty sits which is another dimension.  Satan has been cast out of that Heaven, down to ours.  (earth and space)
The Bible says in the end days we will be able to mount up to the Heavens - space travel.  Pinpoints our time quite accurately.

Just a few other decriptions described by the OT prophets of these times:
- people will be lovers of themselves (how many self help books are out there?)

-love will have grown cold ( abortions, divorces, people falling out of love left and right, disowning parents, and children even)

-it will be like in the days of Noah ( genetic crosses between man and animal, and man and fallen angels will abound)  and they are!

-it will be like in the days of Lot, (homosexuality will be promoted as a good thing, and will abound,) and it does!

Also, God said he'd send signs in the sun, and moon.
This April (as I've posted before) are the beginning of the four blood moons that fall on Jewish feast days. Something VERY significant is going to happen in the next year.



 

Hundmutter,

I really see no point in your "babble". The "logic" thinking you are employing is quite flawed. Your conconclusion therefore is also without merit and actually not at all what I said. What you have done is put words in my mouth. You are also putting words in God's mouth. Makes a true give and take discourse pretty much impossible.

Denying scholarship and using your myopic bias to discredit discourse is rather pointless to bother continuing this discussion, for myself. For others joining vk4, (who is truly the real deal in "babbling"  ), or Travels in her silliness with dragging in the dinosaurs, also shows their own desire to not want to learn anything.

For instance, why would you call the Bible, "babble" to begin with? Even if your POV is to think it is a work of fiction, using that insulting descriptor would still not be accurate. Only your choice of that word shows your true nature in denying any sort of truth seeking, that your sole purpose is only to reject out of hand what you don't want to know.

 

Oh my. 

While I completely understand the fact that as atheists, your reactions to certain individuals who would use PDB as their pulpit upon which to thump, it is disappointing that you would respond in kind. Not all Christians or people of faith here go about their business that way. The assertions being made here are not new ones, and though some of them have actual viable counterparts in the ongoing dialogue between authoritative and informed voices, the substance of the arguments being offered here are anything but, and so yes, the temptation is always there to take them, gift wrap them nicely, and return them to the orifice from which they were pulled to begin with.

Above all, the reality seems to be that regardless of what one has to say in support of or against the Bible, it matters little to their faith orientation, or lack thereof. This actually makes perfect sense to me, as it is directly in keeping with my criticisms on institutional religion and its systems over the course of time. In order to truly believe something, anything, it requires a connection far more relevant and reliable than simply what the next person has to say about it. Otherwise, it is necessarily nothing more than a simple idea in your mind at best, and at worst, someone else idea which has been placed there.